RE: RE: Breaking News could it be all over in days?12 Sep 2022 15:54
I appreciate the point raised Dietch666 but history begs to differ yet we are still here as a species and history is wrote by the victor as they say. I am no doomer, I reckon Humanity will be around in some form or another until the heat death of the universe. Although even then I don't think it's the end. There'll be a gravitational focal point that pulls in a cold space time continuum which births a new singularity and low the cycle continues. A cycle we could escape via quantum information and closed time like loop curves. But that is really off topic lol.
I am of the contentious opinion that this conflict could have being avoided if we in the west actually engaged in some diplomacy RE the Minsk Agreement. So culpability lies as much at our (collective west) feet as the Russian Federation. I am a big critic of Zelensky but to his credit he went to the Azoz battalion and told them to disarm in 2015(there's video of this easily found) so Minsk could be implemented, they basically told him to F off and too watch his back. Funnily enough given John McCains trips and speeches to said battalion It has me wondering just how in charge Zelensky has being during his time as leader of Ukraine.
So, combine that with the results of Shock and Awe doctrines (which include bombing schools and hospitals, 1 million dead civvies in Iraq, the destruction of Libya, the proxy war in Syria etc) as seen in numerous places NATO has operated in then I will state we in the west do not get moral high ground by simply supporting Ukraine. Russia meanwhile is dangerously close to a perceived moral high ground globally (one must bear in mind we in west are a global minority). Why do you think the Asia's are not so keen to follow western sanctions? Is it just pragmatism or is it also sympathy?
I myself just want this Slavic bro war to stop. I have a lot of time for the 3 sister nations (Belarus, Ukraine and Russia) ever since I watched a documentary on the Chernobyl disaster. Za vas paschim liquidakor Chernobyl N Pripyat! (To the fallen liquidators of Chernobyl and Pripyat.) That is a toast will open doors to you as a westerner, A little bit of respect for big events goes a long way in Slavic culture. Either way I find it ironic that if not for the efforts of, depending on who you ask, 300k to 1.5 million, Europe would be an irradiated mess no one would be fighting over and we would all be radioactive refugees in third world nations.
Za vashee (to your health).
And this has to be pointed out. "hitting the Crimea .panicking Russian holiday makers" You'd be calling that terrorism if it was British holiday makers. Have some consistency people. Also what did Ukraine do in response to the Crimean referendum that was signed off on by the UN as legit until a couple days later it was not (totally no phone call made there). Ukraine cut off the water. And people support that government and wonder why it got invaded eventually? It truly baffles me.