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Aus. Thanks for crediting me for Fleccys clarification of C&W history. Coax, yes you can send different signals down it simultaneously. The problem is the electrical characteristics , the higher the frequency the more power needed to go along a given length, interaction between signals interference from upper and lower side bands needs consideration, crosstalk within a multi core cable ( same problem for twisted pair ) coax signals are very prone to having the correct termination impedance in place, if you are sending more than one frequency then the impedance will be good for one signal but impact negatively on others reducing power transfer or causing signal reflection back down the cable which can cause other problems.
Fibre, stick multiple wavelengths down the same price of glass simultaneously, no need to compensate for power losses, no interaction with other wavelengths, no interaction with other fibres in a multi cable, no need for the correct termination impedance and it’s inherent issues and the ability to send many many more separate signals at the same time with very high data rates for each one. Just pick off the wavelengths you want at the end.
Bit like comparing 405 line analog TV signal with Freeview digital.

The more fish there are in the sea, the more they will eat each other. So they all manage to just about get by, some do better than others for a while, then they come up against a more aggressive fish and sometimes there day is done. And so it continues. Thing is BT is the ocean they all need to get by. The ocean doesn’t need to create its own fish to get by because it’s the ocean.

Aus. So how do you think digital TV, DAB radio content gets from the provider to the transmission sites, how is the same done for Airwaves the emergency services radio system, FM radio content, broadcast linked from sports locations, Houses of Parliament, Downing Street and many other locations get to your TV. Yes that’s right, the BT network.

Aus. Go back 24 hours, it was discussed yesterday before brexit

Thanks fleccy. Haven’t had the time to put that info out for any scaremongers.

The thing is, BT gave staff the pension, the staff did not demand it. BT has caused its own problem in this area by effectively taking payment holidays. At least, unlike many others, BT is doing the right thing by its pensioners.

Thank you Nige. What a load of tosh. Firstly it would not be a good move for the trustees to acepct the sort of offer that is mentioned. The trustees are there to ensure that the best interests of the schemes members are put first, not those of the employer. If they accepted this sort of deal then what next time, 10% of the value of the vans when they are sold.
Can’t see it, why take a share of BT that they don’t have to, if the trustees wanted that they could invest in BT shares. And the one thing not mentioned is the Elephant in the room, the scheme has Crown protection. If BT went bust the government has to pay the pensioners.
I suspect when the review is over, the only thing that may change is the amount BT will pay each year as a top up, which may well be lower than at present.
The sort of journalism Boris would write.

Unable to read the article, so will just say this. There is currently the 3 year review of the pension scheme going on. This is normally complete by early next year with agreements in place to fund any deficit that may exist. If the plan modified in 2017 is working then no change in what is in place until 2030. If as suspected the deficit is less than planed for then the new plan could see BT paying less in than planed. I see no reason to think that in a few months it has moved from around £1b to around £10b considering how the scheme is invested and received a payment from BT earlier this year. Even if that were so as things improve over the coming year or so that would greatly reduce back to the level of the plan in 2017 around £7b deficit.
Could well be the usual story of journalists putting a spin on things, them am good at that...

Fleccy. Could be RAF Cleave now part of GCHQ (TAT3 )so would be a Q station. Not far from Bude which was quoted in the BBC item. They may connect to more than one UK supplier giving diversity.

Google are also getting in on the infrastructure of networks with there own submarine cables, guess they will then link in with BTs core, could be a good earner.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53553580

Doubt it rod, closed to frang until at least end August, best you try Eastbourne.

Question. Where’s Cpl Jones. Or has he now Panicked.

Thanks for that chris, see you in another 2 years.

Thanks cpl Jones, but I already have 2 very nice cars, don’t have a need for another, so I will hold.

I do wonder if there is manipulating going on over the last few months in respect of Openreach. Has there been decisions at the top of BT to consider selling part / all of OR and decided that in the long term it’s not the way to go. The ones that clearly have a big influence on what the market dose to a company may have decided that they want BT to offload some or all of OR as they know that they would make big money if that were to happen. The reason being that going forward there is a lot of money to be earned if you have a full UK fibre network to look after and continue to provide. BT may have realised that keeping OR in house will bring big benefits down the road rather than having to pay what a new owner or group with a large holding in OR , demand to keep the network up and running, basically BT could be held hostage to there demands. Keeping it in house may be a cause of the current situation, but there are blue sky’s down the road if it’s kept as a whole because that is where the revenue will be.

Not the slightest bothered. Have made money over the years, have had good income in dividends, still up and intend holding as this will rise again as it did after the wan...... sorry bankers messed up last time, and it’s the banking types talking this down at present. A Leopard don’t change it’s spots dose it.

Lance cpl Jones. Don’t panic as you are wrong so you can calm down.
1. BT makes a profit EVERY year where other areas constantly make losses.
2. BT is regulated, like many companies but not government controlled.
3. Pension deficit was £8b in 2019 reported as around £1b this year. Pension investments are (2019)
Equities 22%. Government bonds and cash 29%. Investment grease credit 27%. Other growth assets 13%. Property 9%
4. With the exception of BB BT could just offer Dark fibre to all other services and let the user supply the kit.
5. All you can eat, well same there as everybody else.
6. Other ISPs still have to pay for there current access, it ain’t for free. Also with a full fibre network that may well change in BTs favour.
So your info is either picked out of thin air, shows you actually know nothing about there finances, and as I have said before, you are unable to research the topic.
But D+ for trying, now please do your homework next time, you may get a better mark.

Most of the overhead you see feeding homes is dropwire10 and contains 2 copper pairs and 3 strands of twisted steel support wires. Out in the country you will see anything from 5 pair to 100 pair copper with a steel support wire. In the ground as said anything up to 1000 pairs in one cable plus coax and twisted screened for high quality broadcast use, the latter 2 are no longer in use but may well be sitting there. A lot just can’t be easily removed as other cables have become intertwined and may still be in use, guess it will all be down to is it cheaper to remove or leave and provide a new duct route. There is money to be made but is the cost to high to bother with.

Fair comment. Except for the last bit re CV19. Have you seen the news today from The Public Accounts Committee in respect of care homes and how the government dealt with it. Your last bit is nothing but SICK. Perhaps you will consider your words wiser in the future.

Aus. We know you have a passion for Virgin and believe that they will become a major challenger to BT, the thing is the info you base this on is all headline stuff, mostly put out to Make people thing they could get a better product in the future from Virgin compared to other network providers. The facts are quite different, they themselves have stated that with a tie up with O2 they could only supply connectivity to around 50% of UK base sites. They have BB connectivity to there geographic locations but not outside of that unlike BT, with the exception of Hull who have network covering the whole UK. There TV local network relies on for the most part coax, which is really expensive to maintain due to the transmission constraints of coax. They will have equal costs to those of BT to replace that with fibre, let alone also build a full UK fibre network. To do that they will be spending money on things that BT already has such as duct, they will also need to have a hell of a lot more buildings to act as head end locations for the new areas, something BT has now but will be moving out of as they close them down as there full fibre comes on line. Virgin will have to equip those buildings with environment control equipment and expensive power distribution. They will also probably need more staff and there inherent costs. All of that expense over the same time period that BT will be reducing its cost base and becoming a much leaner high income business. Then after they have built it and spent a lot more than BT in doing so, will the people come ?
I know who my money will be on to come out on top at the end of the day...