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Lost. Think Fleccy is talking about ISDN30 not ISDN2.

“ A bit like any empty floor space in the exchange was handed over to competitors in the 90s. It could only happen in Britain“
Not handed over. The Multi User Area, MUA, is rented space, they pay for floor space, supply there own power and equipment, they also rent the tie cables to the MDF Not that it will matter soon as it will all become redundant after PSTN switch off.

Fleccy. True with regard to coax but a lot will still be in use to patch 2m and 8m links to higher order from there local end user. There is still a lot of products utilising 4X2m and 16x2m from exchanges to users so may well still be needed after the fibre BB rollout until users can be migrated to Ethernet products. But yes in respect of copper tie cables and jumpers in exchanges especially after the PSTN switch off.

The main issue with pulling it out of ductwork is that over time as cables are added to a duct they become intertwined and in some ducts there is so much cable that it is compacted together making it impossible to pull out. That is the reason many cable chambers in exchanges have cables cut off at the manifold and new duct work being installed to add capacity on a route. The mistake was made many years ago when fibre cables were put in the same duct as existing copper so ripping out the copper would damage the fibre. This is more of a problem in urban areas not so bad in rural areas.

Is this a true after hours or only reported after hours and trade done earlier in the day ?
25-Aug-20 17:05:50 110.658 1,631,809 Buy* 107.10 107.15 £2m

Before I left BT I had 3 pension seminars run by an independent company on behalf of BT and many other big UK companies. At each one the basic advice was that as much lump sum as you can without it impacting on your annual rise in pension (cpi), principal being you can do what you want with the lump sum you could drop dead after a month... Taking it all out of a final salary is really dependent on how long ago you left the company and how many years ago that was. I can imagine it’s a minefield. Took mine early with max lump sum, if I get to live to 80 then I will have had the same amount of money as I would ifI had waited around another 5 years before leaving BT. No brainier......

Please stop... you will upset Cpl Jones who keeps telling us that BT is worthless, will you please listen to him otherwise he may Panic....

Lost. “ as it's glass and light and light travels at very very high speeds. “ That’s why it’s called the speed of light. LOL

Nige. I would ask him what the New Infrastructure will be made from and weather he is the founder of some SiFi foundation.............

What a peaceful couple of weeks it’s been, Hope your holiday was a good one Cpl Jones, guess now you are having to quarantine for 2 weeks we will have to put up with your rants while you have to sit it out in your Bedsit.

“ Get rid of Openreach this will help strengthen the balance sheet.“
Please explain ?

Left before FTTP really started to gather pace so my info on the tech is from those I worked with and chat with from time to time, so not up to date on in depth info. The basic principle remains the same, as to losses in splitting and combining it can’t be that bad if the head ends can be quite a long way from end users. We used to do a 1g extended reach at around 30km.

BT Vision was launched in late 2006 price then around £3. After 3 years of TV it had dropped to around 70p two years later it was £5 then down to what we have today. The price has moved with market conditions, TV did not cause a sudden rise in the price after its launch in fact it could be said that it suppressed the price due to the expense of sports rights. It has now become something that people expect with there BB deal so as a revenue stream it is limited but needs to be included in the package like most other providers. Let’s face it you can buy a set top box for less than £100 and there are plenty of ways to stream pay to view for free. Perhaps dropping the sport could actually increase profit in the long term with no big payouts for the rights. The counter argument drop a service and make more money...

Yet another reason to go full UK fibre network. Get rid of them pesky metallic cables “eh”...

“ If I can understand what’s going on, I feel better assessing the risk & seeing the opportunities “
So would we all, in that we agree.

Aus. 20 years ago BT had a massive portfolio for private services, from a simple pair of unprotected wires connecting two locations within the same exchange area, up to high bandwidth international point to point service. They used lots of different manufacturers and delivery methods from twisted copper pair to Fibre. The network costs were extremely high, so were the staff costs and things like utility services including power and many buildings to maintain. Today with the exception of a few products, which are falling in volume at a high rate everything in private services are fibre derived now, and soon everything will be fibre. The portfolio is very much reduced to basically Ethernet derivatives. Staff, utilities, buildings, and most importantly network maintenance costs have greatly reduced. With a full fibre UK wide network in a few years I suspect the portfolio to shrink even more with a lot of the offering being “dark fibre” with no network cost unless some idiot digs up a cable, the other costs will reduce even more, revenue streams will grow as more and more products are offered by providers all renting capacity, some down the same price of glass, bye one get 10 or more free for BT. Service providers will come and go users will need more and more services and only a few will be left in say another 10 years. They will all then be begging BT for the best deal , not like at present where they are so many of them that BT has to go with effectively what they want to pay.
Why would BT want to get involved in all that when they have spent the last 20 years cutting costs, reducing products and services and still make around £2b profit a year after all its costs including building a Full Fibre UK Wide Network.

Aus, you are talking about “churn”. It mostly happens around things like BB and mobile, but also on the bigger contracts most of which are for 5 years. Company A has it, then B gets it then C gets it then D then back to A. The thing is it’s not as simple as that, there are things such as SLGs, service level agreements, a company gets offered a lower price for the same product so they move, then realise that the 5 star service they did have is now only a 3 star one they may get away with it a percentage of the time but then a situation arises and the y wish they still had the old one.
If BT is providing a closed network for a company with 750 sites comprising of say 1000 links, then they will have paid for the whole installation all the kit and routes needed, BT then has to maintain those links in there entirety for the whole contract, there is an on going cost to BT. If that network then moves to another supplier it all has to be built again probably using as much BT network as before which BT receives income for, but do not have the costs of looking after everything that is then a saving but still income.
There are a lot of service providers out there, they are all fighting for a bit of the market, they cut costs to get a contract then another comes along and under cuts them and so on. BT could well be better placed by just providing a network for them all to squabble over and not have the hassle of joining in as they don’t need to sell service direct to the end user just watch the cash come in without the never ending cost cutting by just being a network provider and nothing else. Build it and they will come, and spend lots of money doing so...

“ buts it’s the old C&W networks and infrastructure taking the retail contracts away from BT’s bottom line.”
But not really, all the old C&W TAN site’s that I have worked in have been reliant on BTs network to extend services to the end users or to interconnect into the BT core via 2mb-34mb systems or Ethernet or SDH. I have worked at service providers sites that have had there core delivered bu C&W but they again need BT to get to end users site’s. I know of a couple of Mobil sites that have direct access to C&W core and also BT core, via in the case of BT SDH nodes. Voda have BT Ethernet access in many exchanges for the provision of BB or other services to end users.
So how will that affect income to BT ?
In fact each connection brings extra income, charge the customer X amount, give BT Y amount for connectivity and keep the rest. The same applies to Virgin they use BT Ethernet access to provide service to locations outside there areas. They all generate income for BT without whom many services would not be possible.
Unless someone builds a full UK network to match BTs mile for mile, location to location then there will be no loss of income, just more options to sell capacity to whoever wants it.

It’s just confirming that OFCOM expect most of the PSTN network to be shut down not long after a nearly UK wide FTTP rollout ends. Why regulate a vastly decreasing product which will only see providers going away from with no new ones using the service. I am sure that for those who wish for a landline service once converted to FTTP will be offered a dedicated VOIP product tagged to there old phone number, then if they move they simply tale that number with them would also likely connect any mobile numbers as well .

Aus. Look at the filing page, company dormant since April 2013, the name still existed but has not traded under that name since April 2013. Everything was transferred to Voda during that year. It’s all there.