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Doc. It states up to 10 tons an hour. But the actual tonnage will surely be subject to what types of feed stock is being process. Some plastics are more difficult to recycle than others hence the reason to produce scientific cooking instructions for every type of plastic including mixed waste.

No M its not. There are 3 Sets of BOD's that are linked to the Protos DMG plant. Two off which, have or are being remodeled into a different format to possibly give more shareholder control from my point of view.

Sorry M but please enlighten me as to which BOD you are referring too.

CD, Its initially started using Nat Gas then when the syn gas is being produced it taps off a certain amount to run the process 24 /7. The drawings of the plant show three large gravity feed tanks at start of the process which presumably run as vacuum tanks dispensing the finely shredded plastic. DMG stands for Distributed Modular Generation.
Follow link for a more comprehensive description of the works
https://www.powerhouseenergy.co.uk/

Nice one NH.
Richard Barker, development director at Peel NRE, says: “We’ve developed a vision for Plastic Parks across the UK that cluster together the most innovative solutions for waste plastic, preventing it from ending up in landfill, exported or dumped in the ocean. The plans for the centre at Protos will see up to 367,500 tonnes of mixed recyclables and plastic treated every year.”
No mention of incineration so that means that some waste will be treated by the Covanta plant from 2024.
That suggests that all the plants will be online in tandem, subject to the slowest build rate.
I hope not.
MJA

I suspect that its to do with the different feed stock that HUI are intending to use, CB.
Take EQTs processes. For one plant they are following a mixed feed stock approach to gasification with the French waste industry in mind. Gasification has been around for a long time and is not just confined to the conversion of plastic. When your as old as me you can remember those large town gas tanks that expanded and contracted when they filled up with town gas. I can still remember my old school caretaker wearing a blue boiler suit as he was always playing around with the coke ( a town gas residue of gasified coal) that feed the school boilers. Its all in the science that makes the DMG process different.
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I believe that this answers your question CB.
The DMG process involves the plastic being heated to a very high temperature, within a few seconds it melts and then vaporises into a mixture of gases. Further heating within the Chamber reforms the molecules into a synthetic gas known as “syngas”, comprising a mixture of methane, hydrogen and a smaller volume of carbon monoxide. The Thermal Conversion Chamber operates in the absence of oxygen, so there is no burning. However a non-combusting oxidising agent in the form of steam is added to control the process and the quality of the syngas. Once through the Conversion Chamber the syngas is cleaned, leaving behind a few inert residues, which are typically less than 5% of the starting volume of waste plastics. These residues can then be reused for other purposes or disposed of safely.
The resulting gas is similar in calorific value to the Natural Gas used as the fuel for cooking and heating homes and businesses across the country.
A small portion of the syngas produced is used to provide the heat required to run the Thermal Conversion Chamber, making the whole process self-sustaining once running; a small amount of natural gas being required to start it.
So we have the first stage at about a 1000 degrees C and the second stage at 100 degrees C for the steam control process. Much like Electrons process. So I see no difference in the two methods. The other point is the science park has a small scale FOAK DMG plant running now. Whereas Electrons process still at the first stage of design for the thermal conversion chamber. A further steam cleaning process is used to clear up any pesky tars that are produced.
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Now here is the good news from today’s mini budget. More tax relief for companies that invest in plant and machinery to level up the economy and provide alternative sources of energy. The other good news should mean that planning restrictions to be scaled back to give Peel a better chance of having more sites passed. The only delay I can see is that the DMG plant is still aligned for its plastic waste feed stock. With the plot 10A’s sorting building and Plot 13 for its take off with the electricity and heat that the DMG plant will be producing.

LZ your a treasure mate. My guess as an electrical contractor (retired) is the sets of three pipes cover the three phases as individual single conductors. Three phases over that distance would be too large a cable to manage easily onsite. Plus it dissipates heat easier and increases the current carrying capacity of the cables. Did you spot any Pandas on your latest's visit.??
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PT, I expect that there will be more than one contractor to carry out out the works on Plot 10B.
My moneys on SISK for the plot roadway and concrete pad. Possibly co coordinating the installation of the structural girder and insulated cladding building. Then there is the weigh bridge, pressurised tanks, gas generator suppliers and installers, misc electrical, plumbing and steel pipework contractors. And lastly Mitchel Dryers manufacturers, installers and commissioners of the thermal gasification plant. My apologies to the ladies that run the site canteens if I missed you out. There is nothing to beat a good fry up to give the constructors a well deserve start for the day ahead.
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Yes there is a working FOAK small scale unit feeding electricity to the local science park.

If I might add to that Doc, I assume that these planning requirements have yet to be confirmed.
26. Prior to the commencement of development an updated walkover survey for large mammals as
set out within the Ecological Assessment Rev B by Avian Ecology Reference AxisL-043-1145V4a, shall be submitted to the Local Planning Authority for approval. Proposed recommendations as set out within the updated survey shall be implemented.
27. Prior to the commencement of the development a detailed water vole mitigation method statement shall be submitted to and agreed in writing by the Local Planning Authority. The approved details shall be implemented for the duration of the development.
28. Prior to the commencement of development Reasonable Avoidance Measures (RAMs) in
relation to the removal of trees as identified within the Ecological Assessment Rev B by Avian Ecology Reference AxisL-043-1145V4a, as low bat roost potential, shall be submitted for approval to the Local Planning Authority. The RAMs shall be implemented in accordance with the submitted details throughout the duration of the construction period.
29. Prior to the commencement of development a series of Reasonable Avoidance Measures (RAMs) in relation to Amphibians shall be submitted for approval to the Local Planning Authority. The RAMs shall be implemented in accordance with the submitted details throughout the duration of the construction period.
30. Prior to the commencement of development, details (including samples) of external surfaces of buildings and external plant shall be submitted to and approved in writing by the Local Planning Authority. Development shall be carried out in complete accordance with the approved materials.
The above and there are more that have to be dealt with and approved before a spade breaks ground.
MJA

NH, always thought that TY wasn't on the ball. There are 5 gas generators on the planning approved drawings.
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Tatty, If I remember correctly the long lead item referred to the special alloy for the construction of the Thermal Conversion Chamber. Hopefully that alloy is now with Mitchell Dryers Ltd the proposed manufacturers of our process. Perhaps the doc could ask Keith if that is in fact the case the next time he on the blower with him.

PT, I thank you for your appraisal of gate fees, their sources and anticipated current values which confirms my personal opinion that they will either reduce, diminish, and even become a reverse payment to the feed stock suppliers when market forces and competition that take control.
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PT I have a question for you and any other posters on this site. Who is going to pay these gate fees to SPV JV. And how much?

Dam aandi, you just beat me to it.
However Im not so sure about the "contemplated project of peel", part.
PHE to Peel "We are going to supply a plant in Ellesmere port to turn waste tyres into energy".
Peel to PHE "We are contemplating doing that ourselves. In fact every where we have a piece of land. Except in the Shetlands."
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Chrisrat
Item 27 Of the 2021 audit accounts
Keith Riley held 12,128,986 ordinary shares as at the 31st December 2021
See you on the purchase board then.
As there is no RNS to say he has sold them one must conclude that he has those same shares.
MJA

NH I have a problem with all these twitter posts particularly when they identify PHE as a producer of CO2 .
Quote from Protos website
Protos is a key stakeholder in the HyNet North West project, the most advanced hydrogen and carbon capture, utilisation and storage (CCUS) project in the UK which could see hydrogen blended into the gas grid and piped into homes and businesses by 2024.
There is contradictions on all sides when it comes to any form of time scale.
No wonder people get confused when they go off scrip.
MJA

Buy on fear and sell on greed.
Warren Buffet.
Plus it gives shareholders a chance to average down
MJA