Member Info for Longterminvstor

Good evening Vas, Very interesting indeed. Thank you for sharing the report. Good luck. LTI.

Thanks again Chianti. It is much appreciated. Good luck. LTI.

Hello Chianti, Well done. I found the scaleable figure, thank you. I remember John Cronin mentioning about REC, during one of his presentations, last year. And that CyanConnode were on their suppliers list. Very interesting development. Another one to watch out for. Thank you for the information. Good luck LTI.

Hello Chianti, The Chandigarh project, has been around for some time and we have spoken about it previously on the bb. But it now seems to be coming near to a conclusion. At least as far as the pre-bid tender meeting is concerned. So thank you for the information on that. It was appreciated. https://www.metering.com/news/chandigarh-jerc-smart-grid-budget/ https://www.metering.com/news/jerc-smart-grid-pilot-project-india/ I cannot see any reference to the number of meters required, in the text of the document? Unless I have missed it. Do you know if it is the same as in the November 2016 report, which stated 30,000? Or do you know if it has changed. Thanks again. Good luck LTI.

Hello Pedro, Good to hear from you again. L&T are still a very important Partner for CyanConnode. And as far as the L&T/Kalkitech connection is concerned, as I said last week, a large organization is always going to have multiple solution partners. As you have pointed out in your post, in a conversation to overheard at the EGM, someone commented " ...... we'll need to get another Tier 1 Manufacturing Partner to cope ...... " A similar situation to L&T, is CyanConnode, in needing another Tier 1 Manufacturing Partner does not mean they are necessarily replacing one for another. It means they " ....... need to get another ....... " It does look, as you say, that the Indian Smart Meter/Smart Lighting Program, is gearing up towards the next two years. And beyond. Interesting times ahead Pedro. I hope you are keeping OK. Good luck LTI.

Hello Chianti, I see it now. The report is dated 28th December, 2017. If they had written it the way you have written it, instead of the other way around, I/we would have probably realized this, nearly 3 month's ago. You nailed it, Chianti. Well done. Good luck LTI.

Hello Chianti, I had seen that before, but could not remember where, when I mentioned earlier about companies " .... showing an interest .... " in the Systems Integration part of the tender. The L&T referred to in the report, is I believe L&T Construction. They usually print it Larsen&Toubro (LT). The L&T which CyanConnode deal with is Larsen&Toubro - Electrical & Automation. A different part of the Group. L&T Electrical & Automation, is the part of the group that provides smart meters. I spent a lot of time looking at the L&T ( Construction ) website, before I realized there was another website for smart metering. But it does say in the report that you posted, that L&T won the bid and " L&T, Keonics and China based IESLAB had shown interest in the systems integrator part of the tender." But only " .... shown interest ...... " The question which CB is looking into, is has there been any decision, as yet, specifically on the Systems Integrator tender. Other than showing interest. Good luck LTI.

Hello Chianti, Thank's for that. Interesting indeed. Good luck. LTI.

Hello CB, Thank you for that. It will be appreciated. I would have thought by now, that it would have been public knowledge, but I cannot find any information specific to the winner of the System Integrator tender. Unless there is a reason for the delay? They may still be deciding? It sometimes happens. LTI.

Hello CB, There is sometimes, a lot of " spade-work " that goes into pre-tender meetings/discussions, for interested companies, on any tender. But as you have stated, from your information, it was a " ...last minute ..." decision by EESL to go for GPRS. And a stated intention, as I understand it, from Mr.Kumar, to use GPRS only. So it could have been a last minute decision by many of the forty companies that had discussions with EESL, not to engage with the EESL tender, any further? Which is why I am asking, do you know who won the System Integrators part of the tender? Or even the possible short list of System Integrator companies? Any information would be welcome. LTI.

Good morning Chianti/Vas, Very interesting report, Chianti. Especially the part that highlights that EESL seem to be trying to " cut and paste " South African legislation/regulation, into an EESL tender, for pre-paid meters. As it says, " However, EESL's tender, has specifications taken from pre-paid meters in South Africa, which cannot be emulated in India, as the territory requirements are different ..... " Just who is writing the specifications, for EESL tenders. Or for any tenders in India, come to that? I thought it would be the Indian Government or the Ministry of Power? Obviously not. Thank you both for your information. Good luck. LTI.

Good morning CB, As you know, I personally doubt whether CyanConnode had any involvement in the original EESL tender. Or any EESL tender, or for that matter any tender that stipulates GPRS meters. What would be the point? The GPRS business model, as envisaged by EESL, has still some way to go, in Uttar Pradesh and Hayana. The CyanConnode business model in Mysore and Mumbai, are proven in India. But within my original post at 13:59, there is a report that states:- " According to the report, some forty companies, including equipment makers and trade bodies, have held discussions with EESL ........ " https://www.metering.com/news/eesl-tenders-for-5-millions-smart-meters/ Forty companies and two of the three winners, of the Uttar Pradesh and Haryana tender, had " ..... never manufactured any kind of meters in the past ........ " So does that not mean that they will have to sub-contract the meters out. http://www.livemint.com/Companies/yfNgKn9BU9TUZl8CTKpDPP/EESLs-reverse-auction-for-5-million-smart-meters-under-a-cl.html So as I have said previously, I will be trying to follow the EESL projects, with interest. As I do most smart grid/smart meter /IoT projects, when I can. But you may be able to answer this question, of who actually won the Systems Integrator tender? I have read somewhere, but I cannot put my finger on it at the minute, that certain companies were interested in providing the solution, to EESL's specification. But nothing specific or set in stone, as to who actually won the System Integrators part of the tender? Very interested. LTI.

Hello CB, I look forward to following the EESL projects, with interest. LTI.

Good evening Vas/Chianti, You are welcome Vas. Maybe Mr. Kumar was suitably impressed when he visited the Mysore installation? Good luck. LTI.

.......... in answer to your original question, Vas, EESL decided that they wanted to use GPRS. Mianly for Capex reasons. As Mr. Kumar says, " Why should I build a communications network, when I have access to a network already." From September 18th, 2017:- https://www.metering.com/news/eesl-tenders-for-5-millions-smart-meters/ So that brings us to the unanswered question. If Mr.Kumar, had a stated aim of using GPRS, who said that CyanConnode were " ..... nailed on ...... " to get the contract, when CyanConnode do not service GPRS meters, to my knowledge. Have a good weekend Vas. LTI.

Hello tonyj, It goes back a long way. But if I remember correctly, it was not always like that. LTI.

Hello tonyj, If that is what you want to believe or say, nothing I say will change your mind. LTI.

Hello Chianti, I think that is probably still in place, but for ISGF projects, for their performance on the Punjab project. But I believe in that case, they did not provide the meters on time, with a solution that was acceptable. But through the link-up with L&T, I would think L&T will provide the meters. So we will have to wait and see how that works. As I mentioned yesterday, all smart meter Companies will have more than one solutions provider. The details are in the September 2017 issue, of the Smart Grid Forum Bulletin, page 6. http://www.indiasmartgrid.org/newsletter.php Good luck LTI.

Good morning Chianti, Thank you for the information on Maharashtra. It is appreciated. Any idea how many units/meters are involved. I realize that the value of the project will include infrastucture costs, but GBP16.5 million ( if my calculations are correct ) is a meaty project. Thanks again. Good luck LTI.

Hello CB, Really. How do you know they haven't already invested in Solar adapted solutions? LTI.