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There you go Richie33.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/30/putin-and-zelenskiy-could-meet-soon-says-ukraines-top-negotiator

https://www.ft.com/content/6afc2715-3f4e-48fc-bbb6-5a50b54f7e4b

Good Evening J-A-B when Putin annexed Crimea it was concluded between Feb and March 2014, so it only took only two months. Putin is rumoured to be trying to work to roughly the same timeframe but with an outer date. Any coincidence he chose the same two months to start?

I suspect that it might be concluded a lot sooner for the following reasons
a)Substantial progress in negotiations
b)He won't take the country and is already reducing military around Kiev and Cherchyiv to concentrate on Eastern Ukraine. Less of a time commitment.
c) Heavy Russian losses to date through killed, injured, surrender and desertion (circa 40,000)
d) Financial impact of some of the toughest sanctions ever imposed on any country/persons.
e) Oligarch pressure

Like you I'm looking for the big returns on any peace dividend. Was £12.00 immediately prior and I have £6.00 of that derisked in the Khazakstan assets.

Although all shares have risk I think you will do very well. Peace deals should multiply the share price and particularly so with any reduction in sanctions.

https://www.ft.com/content/6afc2715-3f4e-48fc-bbb6-5a50b54f7e4b

(See the More News thread on the Poly bulletin board)

https://www.ft.com/content/6afc2715-3f4e-48fc-bbb6-5a50b54f7e4b

(See the More News thread on the Poly bulletin board)

But the troop numbers ARE reducing. That's the point.

I am not counting shell numbers but you have to realise that you need to let the news get communicated down from Russia to on the ground. Don't forget the Russians took out a 3G mast they themselves needed for secure comms. They then reverted to analogue which is being jammed and any telephone connections to Russia are being blocked by the Ukranians. It;s all reported in the press. You can actually see that for some of the units out on a limb it might take time for news to filter through.

My response was to resvrww who stated in a post earlier

"Except that hasn't happened yet. Nothing has changed in respect to the movement of troops or reduction in aggression from Russia"

That poster was clearly wrong on the movement of troops.

Always dyor

Does also mention troop movements away from Kiev. Maybe not as many as some would like BUT there IS movement away.

Confirms what I read elsewhere.

From the Poly BB,

"Russia’s foreign minister on Wednesday said negotiators had made “substantial progress” in peace talks with Ukraine, but Kyiv cast doubt on the assertion saying the Kremlin was still insisting on unacceptable Ukrainian territorial claims.

Sergei Lavrov told Russian state media that he saw “positive movement forward” in the talks taking place in Istanbul, though they were “not yet the final result”.

He said Ukraine’s negotiators “confirmed the necessity to ensure Ukraine’s non-nuclear, [neutral] status and its security outside of Nato” and “understand that the issues of Crimea and Donbas have been settled for good”.

But Oleg Nikolenko, spokesperson for Ukraine’s foreign ministry, said Kyiv was only willing to discuss the final status of Crimea and Donbas — southern and eastern Ukrainian regions where Russia has annexed territory — once Kyiv “restores its sovereignty over them”.

Lavrov’s comments were the latest in a series of declarations by Moscow signalling Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, had scaled back his ambitions in Ukraine after a more than month-long invasion that has been stymied by fierce Ukrainian opposition.

The US and its western allies have cast doubt on Moscow’s claims to be substantially refocusing its offensive on Ukraine’s eastern border regions with Russia, calling it a “repositioning” rather than a “real withdrawal”.

Pentagon press secretary John Kirby on Wednesday said the US believes Russia is repositioning just a “small percentage”, about 20 per cent, of the forces it had positioned around Kyiv.

He added that while those troops are moving away from Kyiv, and some have entered neighbouring Belarus, none are heading back to their home bases — a signal that Russia may not be committed to a sustained withdrawal.

“If the Russians are serious about de-escalating?.?.?.?then they should send them home,” Kirby said.

Reports from Ukrainian officials on Wednesday that Moscow was continuing to bombard neighbourhoods on the outskirts of Kyiv and the northern city of Chernihiv further undermined Russian claims that it was reducing its activity in the region.

“Kyiv is still very much under threat,” Kirby said.

Still, Russia’s defence ministry on Wednesday continued to emphasise that it was withdrawing from population centres in Ukraine’s north and west, including Kyiv. Igor Konashenkov, the ministry’s spokesperson, said Russia was conducting a “planned rotation” near Kyiv and Chernihiv after “achieving all the main tasks” in Ukraine’s north.

Konashenkov also said the Russian military was moving into the “final phase” of its operations in eastern Ukraine, a move aimed at focusing on “operations in priority theatres and?.?.?.?complete the operation to fully liberate the Donbas”, the mostly Russian-speaking border region in eastern Ukraine."

Maybe not quite the same hash up Mary. the LAVROV comments are new.

"substantial progress" and

"Sergei Lavrov told Russian state media that he saw “positive movement forward” in the talks taking place in Istanbul, though they were “not yet the final result”.

Lavrov I have to say of them all is the hardest to please so for him to be painting such a positive slant means there are aspects there he likes. Far more positive that than this afternoon.

Thanks for posting.

You can make your own mind up on CT.

Been deramping consistently on POLY today after posting this yesterday

"Awesome 2 days - £5ish close on Friday"

dyor

The problem with skim reading articles CT and selectively posting facts is that you miss key bits. Fortunately everybody read not only the article but your posting history.

"Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelenskiy could meet “soon”, a senior aide to Ukraine’s president has claimed, even as the Kremlin downplayed hopes of an early breakthrough in the peace talks.

The head of Ukraine’s negotiating team, Mykhailo Podolyak, a key adviser to Zelenskiy, said on Wednesday that Moscow was scrutinising proposals submitted by Kyiv in Istanbul which he believed could lead to a presidential peace summit.

“We can expect a presidential meeting to be held some time soon,” Podolyak said. “When is too early to tell, but it is a logistical issue.”

GL tomorrow.

The market makers always seem to have the upper hand with the spread for they only need to auction it and gap it up at the start. It amazes me that people try to short this what with the spread and with the market closed for 16 hours of any given day and weekend.

Thanks for posting hasiba,

Great news and hopefully back above 5p tomorrow.

pdr just for you. GL

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/30/putin-and-zelenskiy-could-meet-soon-says-ukraines-top-negotiator

They have achieved little pandemonia. They were meant to be in and out in no time. Zelenski toppled and job done. But instead that hasn't happened and the Ukranian military is fighting with its heart and soul. Martial law means all males over 18 also remian in the country to fight if required and many (including ladies) are swearing in as defenders. Russia tbh have been humiliated around Kiev and many other places and have lost about 16,000 troops, 8 generals, countless colonels and countless military metal from airplanes to tanks, to ships etc etc. Some 40,000 were injured, killed, surrendered or deserted at the weekend (from 160,000 - 180,000 total). The longer it goes on imho the more those "casualty" numbers will rise.

On top - add sanctions, business withdrawals and cancelled projects, add further west re-arming, add warcimes investigations, international condemnation.

Armies need to be equipped, armed, rearmed, fed, fuelled and all whilst many miles inside enemy territory. All the above turning the screw.

It needs a face saving deal for Putin so it can be shown as a win. Prolong it much further and I doubt that will be possible.

Two opposing views so make your own mind up.

Not one of the 6 objectives but since you mention it your information might be a little outdated.

Now which multi-ID could you be?

Get some help CT. Things are a lot closer than you think.

Have a good evening and catch you tomorrow.

Mark, it was more to do with Mr Abramovich's 29% stake.

They came out in RNS and categorically stated that they were not involved in making the steel for Russian tanks.

Always said its not bad thing being invested over there since its suspensions, because you come out the other side once it has all been sorted. Should probably be ocming out at about £2.50 to £3.00 at the moment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/30/putin-and-zelenskiy-could-meet-soon-says-ukraines-top-negotiator

Now just for the benefit of CT - here are the FACTS he thinks are missing. If he wishes to accuse the FT, The BBC and the Ukranian and Russian Ministers of ramping then that's fine by me. From yesterday.

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Negotiations Summary29 Mar 2022 18:07
For anyone wishing a synopsis of where The Russia / Ukrainian negotiations are at here's what we know:

From the FT yesterday and prior to the negotiations - a noticeable shift in stance off Russia.
"Russia is no longer requesting Ukraine be “denazified” and is prepared to let Kyiv join the European Union if it remains military non-aligned as part of ongoing ceasefire negotiations, according to four people briefed on the discussions. Moscow and Kyiv are discussing a pause in hostilities as part of a possible deal that would involve Ukraine abandoning its drive for Nato membership in exchange for security guarantees and the prospect to join the EU, the people said under the condition of anonymity because the matter is not yet finalised. The draft ceasefire document does not contain any discussion of three of Russia’s initial core demands — “denazification”, “demilitarisation”, and legal protection for the Russian language in Ukraine — the people added."

Then after talks convened and broke up today and courtesy of the BBC website.
The Russian side
"Due to the fact that negotiations over an agreement on Ukraine’s neutrality and non-nuclear status and security guarantees (for Ukraine) are moving into a practical stage, and taking into consideration the principles discussed during today’s meeting, the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation has taken the DECISION TO DRASTICALLY REDUCE COMBAT OPERATIONS IN THE KYIV AND CHERNIHIV AREAS IN ORDER TO BOOST MUTUAL TRUST and create the necessary conditions for further negotiations and for the signing of the aforementioned agreement. Alexander Fomin. Russia's Deputy Defence Minister

The Ukranian side
"Ukraine has said it would adopt neutral status - one of Russia's key demands - in return for security guarantees, its negotiators have said. Neutral status would mean Ukraine would not join any military alliances, such as Nato, or host military bases. Poland, Israel, Turkey and Canada could be among the potential security guarantors for Ukraine.

The proposals would also include a 15-year consultation period on the status of annexed Crimea and would come into force only in the event of a complete ceasefire, Ukraine said.

Its negotiators said there was enough material in the current Ukrainian proposals to warrant a meeting between Zelensky and Russian President Vladimir Putin, adding they were awaiting Russia's response."

All it is going to take here is a joint statement or ceasefire or meeting between Putin and Zelenski or a peace deal to have proper lift off.