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"37p is fair and 0p isn't, this situation has never happened before.." 37p reflected the value of a great many people thinking that we were all in for payday on this stock. Evidently we absolutely weren't and you have to be delusional (or worse) to try convincing people that any price still deserves to be this high. If this thread does disappear then it will be worth it for the usual suspects to finally stop taking people along with them on this sorry ride. The value of this stock will rightly collapse the second it becomes traded again - NEX, FTSE or anywhere else.

@Fregatr Quite simply, yes. I've no problem actually standing by what I say - I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'll happily apologise. Mark my words here should that happen. If only everyone were as responsible on this board, which is yet another point I've been trying to make, and one that also repeatedly falls on deaf ears. But again, yes on my part.

What you call depress, I call wake up. These forums have been full of false hope for years. Maestro is the leading those who desperately want those shares to bounce back into the dark, and yet when he was repeatedly challenged by another poster a week or two ago to come up with something he correctly predicted.. nothing. Not he nor any of his followers came up with anything at all. So I'm not trying to depress them - as I've said before, and will happily say again, I want them to accept that while yes, there is a technically a chance that this sorry case is not completely over, that chance is so slim as to be futile. I speak as one of those people - I have several thousand invested in CHL. I put a little more in because I falsely believed that people on here knew what they were talking about. No more. If something good happens, great. I'll celebrate with the rest of you and apologise in full. Until then, there is every reason to accept that this has been a disaster and to move on with our lives to something that MIGHT actually yield some kind of positive result. Anyone with perspective on this from the outside would either laugh or feel pity at us all. It's virtually guaranteed to be a dead end. Accept it. Look for happiness where there really is some. It isn't CHL.

Onejohn and I are the same person in the same world where everything "maestro" is telling you to believe is true, and CHL comes out of suspension and you get anything anywhere near your money back. The name of that place? Fantasyland. Get real, "rebel." I didn't lose us the case with ISCID. Neither did Onejohn. Neither did any of the other people that you and your master accused me of being across these paranoid pages. Insulting people who shatter your illusions isn't going to make your shares worth anything again.

@"rebel" You mean the one that says we lost, and our shares are worthless? That one, "rebel"?

@"rebel" Are you now following "maestro" pied-piper style in now accusing different people of being the same person? Why don't you look at Onejohn's posting history and see how unlikely that - even if I were posting as anyone else, which of course I'm not - that his account would be mine? xD See how much more enlightened you are when you use evidence instead of speculation or just doing what maestro tells you to? There's a good lad.

@Onejohn Virtually everything on here is speculation mixed with a very heavy dose of optimism. "Maestro" is touted as an expert here but has so far failed to answer the question of what he's been right about. You will then find a gaggle of sycophants who want/need him to be right that they will defend anything he says in light of the fact that this share is virtually finished and our investments are currently worthless. As ever, I continue to say I will *fully* apologise if this turns out to be wrong and we get anything like anywhere near our money back.

@"rebel" Trump-esque as usual, completely avoiding anything which instantly exposes everything you say as baseless. Instead you're coming out with typical, ad hominem, nothing-but-hot-air attacks. where have I tripped over even once? You got any evidence for that? Speaking of evidence, let's get to some *facts* shall we? You've probably avoided all questions put to you, what, five, six, seven times now? I can go back and dig out them out again if you have anything which might actually prove me wrong. You know, basis instead of just empty words. You ready to answer them yet? No? Why sir, you shock me! Just like Noor - you always fail to show when it counts ;) (And all our shares are *still* totally and utterly worthless).

@rebel100 Are you really, honestly trying to repeat banging that drum over again? The last time you did I asked you over and over and over very specific questions about the validity of your position - you failed to answer every single one. That's pretty much the very definition of blinding following the position you want to be true (aka whatever maestro tells you that you want to hear). Much as I've just advocated everyone's right to post here, you really are just wasting everyone's time even further if you've nothing new to say.

@Fregatr Exactly the point I was making. Only allowing people a black and white choice of either: "Not moving on" = Posting here "Moving on" = Not posting here ..is intellectually dishonest. Anyone, as you well know, is allowed to post here. It's not exclusive to those who want to pretend there's a decent chance of this stock ever being worth a damn again. I hope you'll support that from here on out as you seem to have here.

@Fregatr Are you not able to tell the difference between someone having literally moved on from something, and someone who's moved on from the prospect of thinking that these shares are worth anything more than pointless discussions on a messageboard? maestro keeps saying things like how the decision was wrong, unfair etc. but it's the decision that counts. The tribunal members were there. You weren't. I wasn't. "Maestro" certainly wasn't either. All this footstomping about how corrupt ROI is, how Noor's evidence should have swung it etc. etc. etc. is meaningless speculation - what matters is the *decision*, just as jaf1948 has said. Anything else amounts to little more than well-written versions of "IT'S NOT FAIR - WAAAAAHHHH!"

FYI maestro, just like all the others, Jaf isn't me either before you say it ;)

Well said Uncanny, but for one thing - this *is* on topic. Maestro is speaking as, and being treated as, an authority on this subject. He's being irresponsible - accidentally or otherwise - by making false claims and providing false hopes. He has nothing to be pulled up on if he's just stating the facts. Just sharing opinions would be fine if people didn't really need to move their lives on from this and accept all but certain defeat - even in light of a small possible positive outcome YEARS down the line. And "We will win in the end!" is not a fact by any possible definition. As someone who comes here for *genuine facts* and developments on the case, I (and others) have every reason to complain when it's polluted with anything else.

So no evidence whatsoever then outside of the point I very clearly made earlier today: "[M]ore than one person is now questioning my authority [and I don't like that]" does not comprise a sufficient answer. I can assure you that I at least have, and ever will have, only one login on here. So if the basis for your accusations there is as strong as your assessment of the stock, then we're all absolutely f***ed on ever getting any money back from CHL.

Going to ask you again: Where is your evidence that anyone on here, myself or otherwise, is posting under multiple accounts? (Note: "Because more than one person is now questioning my authority [and I don't like that]" does not comprise a sufficient answer).

Again, that's FUD. You, as rebel did, got angry when some reality was pointed out to you. Address the argument, don't make ad hominem attacks. As well as claiming that this is all going to be well in the end, happily taking the weaker minded with you, you also claimed we're all the same person. You said you "know" that. Why don't you share your evidence? Or is it just because multiple people are saying things you don't like to hear, which question your knowledgeable status on here? Again: Just like another poster asked, what have you actually prophecised on here that turned out to be true?

"Blitzed, Ivory, Jamie414, i know you are the same person." A warning to everyone: Beware false prophets (and all their false profits, too). I can't say for sure that the ruling won't get annuled, or even if it would be worth our time celebrating if it was. But Maestro has publicly said it *will* all be worth it in the end. And because he's *finally* being challenged, he's trying to claim that all dissenters are the same person. So that's one thing I do know he's said that's categorically untrue. If you're going to make claims Maestro, you need to back them up. The burden of proof is on you - that's how logic works, I'm afraid. Otherwise it's just sleight of hand on your part. Finger pointing, blame, FUD. All very Trump-esque tactics. To everyone else, give up your false hopes and if anything more comes of this share, it'll just be a nice surprise. I've already said I'll apologise if I'm wrong. For now at least, your money's gone. The only one gaining from all this right now is Maestro. Maybe he's called that because up till now, he's been able to play everyone here like a fiddle, dancing to his tune.

Your mask has slipped with these last few posts maestro, where previously you were given the benefit of the doubt. You have neither right nor basis to claim that "we will prevail at the end." Not only is it irresponsible but it's also completely unfounded. As you were challenged to answer before, when have you actually been right about anything? There are people on here who'll give up their logic for the sake of more hope and you are leading them on blindly. Except now, in some kind of Trump-lite display, because multiple people are getting wise to this and calling you out, you're claiming conspiracy and saying we MUST all the same person. How would you like us to prove that we're not? We couldn't, and you know that - but doesn't it provide a lovely distraction from those tough questions you're being asked? Once again, my offer stands: £2k for my shares. Pay up. After all, you'll prevail in the end - right? Right? "Maestro"?

"With Noor refusing to show up and denying this, Indonesia doesnt have a strong case.." Who won the ruling, maestro?

Two can play that game, sir: So how about you give me £2k, since that's what they cost me and you're convinced (or at least, allowing others to be) that they're going to be worth something in the future. Shall I send you my bank details?