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... and for clarity, I'm sure many would like to know. Tells us how impressed you are with the vaccinations.

Oh to clarify, not partially read, just didn't bother - I am very familiar with the content of posts from people like you.

Why are you still trying to convince people Evilman? You win. Hands down. 100%. You have proven beyond ALL doubt that face masks DO NOT absorb any viruses. That wearing a face mask does not infect anybody nearby. Where those exhaled viruses go is a mute point but hey, you have references, web links and are so sure of what you say. The exponential increase in infection rates with legally enforced mask wearing must obviously indicate some other method of spreading was taking place. Everything all of us have witnessed and seen/heard/read is a load of crap right form the very start. You Evilone are the light and the way.

Masks do not absorb one any viruses. Exhaled vapour laced with covid viruses do not infect anybody else as long as the exhaler is wearing a mask. We don't ask questions like, where have all those exhaled viruses gone, on every single breath. We are not interested in such trivial detail. We are all protected and the massive spread in the virus was by some other unknown method. And that's it, that is how the world works.

Well, it works as long as nobody questions whether what they are being sold is a pile of crap. And that, Evilmonkey is where the likes of you fall apart. Enjoy whatever new congregation you may have gathered with your technically blindingly slam dunk. Wonder how long you can string them along this time? What's your record? REAL WORLD always trumps ephemeral arguments like you present. Pour a drink, sit back and relax. You got two thumbs up. Success. You could sell ice to the Eskimos!

Real world v anti world [I wonder what his views on vaccination are lol.] It is everywhere. |Forget your memory or actual real world experience. Just listen to Eviltroll and you will 'feel' an accepted part of the community and therefore you will 'feel' safe. Nothing, and I mean nothing, you say can alter the world you must believe you are experiencing provided be the likes of Evilone. Your real life experiences were wrong. He is right. And that is how the world works. Masks for sale, get your masks here, so brilliant they deflect and do not absorb a single virus. Where those non-absorbed viruses go - nobody knows but don't worry, you are wearing a non-absorbent mask and therefore you are protecting the world and indeed the entire universe. This is your new reality ladies and gentlemen. No live it and stop thinking something doesn't quite sound right here. No. Not allowed.

OK evil one, you win everything - I didn't bother reading anything you typed. You are 100% correct. All our collective memories are incorrect because we took the blue pill, or is it the red one. Never figured out the matrix. Nothing anybody here as witnessed, experienced or been a part of actually happened. It was all a dream. No of the actual reality we experienced did we experience. There was no pandemic. Who is this Trump fella? Was it a fella? Wow what a dream I had. There were masks and interviews and broadcasts and this virus and so much was going on. Glad it was just a dream and - hold on - there's some people over there wearing face masks? What, what's that all about? OMG they don't half look ridiculous.

Now you are knowingly looking to retwist and repeat back as a way to double take on a fact I produce and therefore eliminate it. Anti-Trump use of masks first, WHO second. First the chief medical officer form UK clearly outlining why masks worn by infected people can spread the disease. I remember clearly interviewees describing the wonders of studies of people touching their faces hundreds of times but not realising it. There was a U turn on the policy. And as for studies about the effectiveness of different face masks in different circumstances, there are a lot more around than your carefully chosen selection. It doesn't matter how you squeal and squirm, face masks accumulate the virus on every exhale. People are continuously touching the covid saturated mask then touching surfaces which other people touch. There is no clever, clever way out of that basic fundamental fact as laid out right at the beginning when various busy body groups started advocating there use as some sort of cure. They were wrong, super spreaders are certainly mask wearers and given the concentration required to infect another person, mask spreading is the most likely cause. Thanks to the vanity of all concerned that either proposed there use, followed advice on there use despite counter questions, lobby for there use for spurious political motives (which are still being cited today as an indication of a failure of this or that leader as in Brazil), or for just backing one side of a two sided coin, vanity means that pulling back and going by cold hard real world real life actual in your face facts does not happen easily. It took nearly a decade and a half before mass media and TV journalists stopped saying the sea level would rise if the north pole melted despite people screaming at them the the water is already displaced. As for yourself, you want to believe you have slam dunked and written out anthers arguments, then you be my guest to those thoughts. What you can not change, no matter how you present any statement you make is each individuals memory and recollection of the events as they unfolded as the pandemic took hold. I know a lot of people who make counter arguments like you believe that an observer's memory is short and easily replaced. It isn't. People still have a little 'thing' in the back of their minds that they are being sold too and manipulated. But you keep going, you obviously have a high regard for your method. I'm staying firmly put in the real world of actual events.

"the approach of wearing masks wasn't to protect the person wearing it, but to minimise viral spead by the person wearing it"
nobody has said anything to the contrary, in fact when the mask wearing was introduced this was a overly publicised statement trying to back up the directive.

And I was careful to point out, the anti-Trump stunt originated and became established in the US. The worldwide imposition was based on WHO advice, which, it will be revealed in the fullness of time, and has even been alluded to from some commentators, was based on retaliation against Trump withdrawing funds from the WHO because of the way he said they handled the start of the epidemic. It is all there in the news reports, at that time. A lot of the deliberate mask wearing and promotion from places outside the US, like the BBC, was a nod and a wink of friendly support to the anti-Trump movement in the American media - which was extraordinary to see. All principles of impartiality, truthfulness and justice went out the window as a major movement did and said anything to move the marginal middle ground just enough to tip the balance against him.. The mask wearing became part of the cause. You can dismiss the idea that that fed through to influencing the WHO which then led to mandatory wearing of super spreading devices but it is all documented in print and broadcast at the time.

Now it looks like the task of removing mask wearing is beginning and immediately there is a strong rebound against it. So far it is very one-sided and based on previous defending of positions taken by the mass media certain outlets are holding firm to the line presenting us with apparently eminent spokespeople telling us masks somehow stop the spread of the virus. At some point, a prominent figure or name or professional will get through the pre-interview screening process and say it live on air, 'the masks never actual worked and may indeed have helped spread the virus' and hopefully the cat will be out the bag and the full debate will be underway and the basic truths can be disseminated.

To clarify EvilM, the START of the mask wearing was a stunt people used to define themselves as against Trump who didn't initially wear masks. There were some weeks of intense media interest in it especially in the states where it grew into an anti-Trump slogan. It became a world wide thing because the WHO claimed that it was an important device to prevent the spread of a chest born virus. This required overturning all the previous messages that contaminated masks and frequent face touching was a bad thing for a highly contagious disease. It was originally only recommended for people with 'spluttering' symptoms, but they should have been self-isolating as one would with a heavy cold previously. The big question is why sis the WHO do the about turn, what was the evidence and the source of the evidence? The WHO was very ****ed off with Trump and the withdrawing of funds and on a dispassionate review of the timeline and events the worldwide policy from the WHO was almost certainly a retaliation against Trump. Remember there are many dark forces and lobby groups in those institutions all influencing decisions for their own benefit rather than based on real evidence. The honest scientist is a very rare commodity these days.

If the banning of fossil fuel driven engines is actually enforced in 8 1/2 years time, many we will be back living in caves well within our lives! Ironically, they will all be burning the local woodlands to cook and provide winter warmth. As the old saying goes, "the truth is out there".

The end of lockdown looks permanent. Previously, there would be panic responses to the rate of increases of cases. But the idea of lockdown was always to protect the NHS. The vaccine has broken the link between contracting covid and hospitalisation down to manageable numbers. Predictably there is a push back against ending lockdown and especially mask wearing. The mask wearing has become a safe easy place to make morale proclamations almost to a religious level. Previously, before it became an anti-trump statement, people would be seen wearing masks and giving hard stares of indignation at those who were not wearing. It gave those people the superiority complex they wanted. Having the idiot policy institutionalised allowed them the ultimate power in their minds of forcing people to adopt their directive against their will. We will now return back to the hard stares of indignation.

Will it ever be acknowledged that the masks never prevented any infections, were actually vehicles for super spreading? Take a look at the infection rate graphs for any country anywhere on the planet. 1st wave relatively low infection numbers compared to later on. Mask wearing forced on the entire population. Infection rates soar. Where masks have been removed, guess what the third wave spike looks like? Yup, very small relative to mask wearing nations.

It is possible the 'known, known' about masks spreading covid at concentration levels high enough to infect a new host is being addressed and the difficult job of coercing people away from mask wearing whilst not admitting it has been known throughout the masks are a major problem. If it becomes public knowledge and the real reason mask wearing was introduced, an anti-Trump gesture which the WHO adopted as a policy in retaliation to the WHO's initial response to the pandemic and withdrawing US funding to the WHO, then many, many heads would have to role including right across the media as well as politicians and health officials. It has become such a cover up [pardon the pun] that, like the truth over climate change, it is unlikely it will be out in the public sphere of discussion or any inquest for many decades.

A lot of people died for that anti-Trump stunt.

Any announcement on amber list quarantine free really meaning only for one legged Polynesians? What no caveats? Off line uabing new carpets fitted throughout - they expected cups of tea ad part of deal. Huh!

Chapps R4, but interview just trying to find some clanger to use against him throughout the day. Opportunity to repeat tests can cost "under a tenner" missed!

Just offering a reality check, bookings increase by 400%, but of what. Of 1000 or 10,000? I will expect most booking numbers to increase at the weekend when people habe time to research destinations.

Didn't catch the evening news broadcasts but R4 report on statement still referred to PCR tests at £80 each. Travel industry needs to get its finger out and advertise hard much cheaper tests lick Chapps 'under a tenner' tests.

Meanwhile there is a predictable backlash against removing the red herring mask. Masks have done nothing to stop spreading the vurus, in fact they facilitate the spreading of concentrated contamination. There are so many of these topics now where reality is the opposite to the narrative. Nobody is prepared these days to say when something is wrong, no matter how damaging the issue is, even life or death false narratives.

I'm a concerned that SSP has such a big drop. With the potential increase in footfall through airports and ports, I would have expected SSP to rally ahead of the airlines. But is has worryingly gone in the opposite direction.

Meanwhile the market is just hovering around break even on the day. I don't think I can remember a time when such a major positive news story has had such a muted response. Trust, it really has been battered, the market simply doesn't believe it. The minister must feel a right idiot. Not trusted. You lot in Downing St earned it!

Built into the cliff face at James Bond island perhaps? I was amazed that the sheer rock edge was that straight in real life. Pity the area has been over taken by tourist stalls.

Thailand> Going for the ..... errmm.... beaches??

mararab, that is a money making web lead, just like the ESTA sites that charge to complete US ESTA forms when you don't actually need them. This is why I say, if the governments site and list of suppliers is given publicity and is known about then that is a game changer. Otherwise the money makers over charging will continue. There are so many trying to make a fast buck out of covid in many different ways. Not least, us lot here!

Look out on the news tonight for lead stories quoting 'for under a tenner'. If it is lead by the news editors, tomorrow will be three steps forward.

oh dear mararab, you are now showing your hand. Perhaps the most important part of the entire statement and questions was being to obtain the PCR tests for 'under a tenner' - and that is for BOTH the tests. Now he warned that there might be some qualification for that particular test, but if that fact can be put up on the evening news and put up on the various news feeds, then that may be a significant game changer. Many of us will be familiar with pre-travel admin for many long haul so the admin registering and so on is not an issue. Some plebs who shouldn't be given passports in the first place will be queue blockers for spelling their names wrong and so on but not a big issue. If the cheapo tests are well publicised and don't suddenly get withdrawn [Gove, hands off], then this is a game changer.

So, if the chepo PCR is well advertised and accessible for most people, bookings for August should go very well where countries are open to the UK.

That should mean for me an rapid increase in Easy J sp for the holiday market, and then in a few weeks switcheroo to IAG as leaks emerge on the likely start date for the US corridors to reopen.

not true mararab, check out the link I put up form the government web site. They have noticed the limitation for some over the cost for testing and there are £4.95 options, therefore two will be 'less than a tenner' - he was correct. How close you will be to one of the test centres of course is a bigger question [ha, you may have to fly to one on an internal flight lol]