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prepossessed

pre-stressed.......

Oh, and I wouldn't want to be on a train travelling over the fire scorched section. I want to see a video of a train going over.

The steel reinforcing in the concrete will, at the very least, expand well past the design limit and then contracted. If that was prepossessed steel, and it is more than likely, then all the design structural integrity will be lost.

It is likely given the heat and time of burning that some of the steel will have become malleable, possibly even approaching melting point. Dumping water on it and rapidly cooling will have done even more damage.

That rail section will have very significant weakness and claims that it is being reused should be taken with a pinch of salt until trains are seen regularly crossing as before. No structure can be claimed to be unaffected after such a hot intense long fire like that.

"The bridge is 75% open tomorrow. Just saying."

And? You miss the point, off course. Whether by planted explosive or missile strike (commentators have laughed off the lorry bomb idea), a successful attack was made and Russia now has to divert a great deal of resources to increasing security, and there is a lot of bridge and access to maintain surveillance of, an enormous amount of airspace to protect from and then there is the small matter of internal security from those inside the Russian forces sabotaging the war to engineer a defeat.

It's like the dam busters in WWII. The effects of the flooding were short lived, but the resources rebuilding and then protecting a wide range of other structures that then had to be regarded as strategic was immense and significantly depleted front line resources and supply chains for the rest of the war.

Be educated. Some truths.

https://dailysceptic.org/2022/10/08/satellite-temperature-data-show-almost-all-climate-model-forecasts-over-the-last-40-years-were-wrong/?mc_cid=65e057122a&mc_eid=177c4f2d97

A desperate splurge of links, none of which I click on, trying to resurrect the original invasion qualification. Just one point, if Nazism was so scary and frightening, don't you think it would have been more economical to deal with the extensive Russian Nazi network first, before concerning yourself with what actually transpires as nationalistic sentiment rather the actual Nazis elsewhere?

In pursuit of a reason for qualifying the imperialistic expansion of Russia, the Nazi term has been widely abused by Putin. It failed to stick which is why the invasion excuse has largely vanished from the rhetoric. We now have a Russian quasi-Nazi state terrorism regime desperately trying to rhetorically force fit some non-existent nato expansionist aggression into the equation in the hope of retrospectively proving the invasion was right all along. The war was a catastrophic error thanks to a self righteous nation who stood by whilst their egomaniac leader took the world to the brink of nuclear war on a policy of imperialist expansionism.

Russia and Russians deserve every revenge attack coming their way for the next decade. Every - single - one!

Johnny banging the recent propaganda crib sheet out, no issues with Ukraine, its those pesky Westerns that have caused us to invade and massacre a peaceful country chasing after Nazi shadows. Oh yeah, what ever happened to the Nazis? Weren't they supposed to be captured and paraded for the world in grand show trials along with all the nazi emblems?? You already forget why you went there?

https://english.nv.ua/nation/arrests-of-military-personnel-going-on-in-moscow-ukrainian-intelligence-50275482.html

Yup, something is going down....

"I dont think it was a truck bomb but a missile would be on CCTV surely."

The motor may have burned out or been ejected to avoid heat seeking defences, and it would probably come in supersonic or close so highly unlikely it would be picked up on CCTV, you'd need a special infrared camera trained on the target with a high frame rate to hope to pck u a missile coming in on it's target.

You are seriously suggesting there has been no threat to use nuclear weapons? Really? Seriously? Have you any idea how many people reading what you wrote burst out laughing. For one brief moment all Waring factions were united in hysterics over the same thing.

Escalating and using a tactical battlefield nuke is laying down a challenge to the west to respond and further escalate. Would the west risk escalating a nuclear conflict? A suggestion is Russia will first conduct an air blast test. It will be interesting to see what the Chinese response to that will be.

The answer is a yes there would be a nuclear response from the west to disable future Russian launch attempts (i.e. multiple air blasts over Moscow and south of Moscow and before you say it the Chinese will already have been informed of the response to avoid China thinking it is also under threat) and no Russia would be incapable of escalating because they may also find some Chinese nukes coming from the east taking out eastern and central facilities and silos to stop Russia trying to fire off more. Russia will then be invaded from all sides and most likely broken up and cease to be Russia anymore. That name will be consigned to the history books.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/8/7370891/

Another image showing two distinct cantilever sections either side of a pillar indicating two separate impact sites.

The surveillance camera footage link I posted earlier;
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/8/7370877/

So actually quite easy to repost. The blast can not be identified as above or below as the screen is white out. and the section the van is about to drive onto about a tenth of a second at his speed is clearly shown to be missing as the picture zooms in on that section.
There is a definite second explosions moments later (double click to move frame by frame) further along the carriage way and that is where the greater damage occurs further up the road.

Guided missiles prefer a 'corner' to aim for for better radar reflection and the lower level structure has much less open area to fly straight through when coming in at around 30 to 40 degrees. Aiming higher such as the rail line increases the probability of a miss as well as more problems resolving the target (similar to cameras with auto balance correction taking time to balance a fast transition light to dark etc.) It is very easy to see the abundance of cross section to hit at low level, compare with much more sparse structure at high level. To hit the pillars or rail you would have needed someone at close range able to pickle the target with a laser. Location and the fact the Russians will have optics looking for pickling and rapid fire counter measures indicate this was a long range sophisticated fire and forget able to avoid electronic counter measures. I would guess gyroscope with possible some GPS assistance in the initial flight phase.

look again? there maybe another one, possibly two explosions before the fuel wagons start leaking burning fuel. One of the side views of the damage shows several cantilever sections destroyed, that requires destructive force well past the blast radius of a single lorry bomb.

https://us.cnn.com/2022/10/08/europe/crimea-bridge-explosion-intl-hnk/index.html

Scroll down to the picture showing a wide shot of the side view. Several sections are destroyed, a lorry the size of the one in the video simply could not destroy such an expanse and there is clearly a secondary explosions frame by frame in the video, maybe a third. Furthermore, the damage further up from where the truck was where the second blast occurs is much greater, even the CNN article makes the point, "The damage to the road bridge appears to be severe, with the part of the bridge that carries westbound road traffic crippled in at least two places."

One bomb can not make two blast sites.
Everything I can see is consistent with a missile strike followed by a second. The targeting of low sections is also consistent with guided missile targeting practice. If you had control over when to detonate a lorry bomb, you would do it at the highest pillar on the cantilever sections to hopefully trigger a sort of domino impact on the other pillars, or you would go for the start section of the suspended bridge to take out the load-stone section to bring the whole suspended section down.

Moscow propaganda unit is saying lorry bomb only after the video released and before any investigation. I suspect it is only coincident a vehicle is about 1/2 second from the blast making it appear that was the cause, yet the damage and rest of the video a second or so later tell a different story.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/kremlin-looking-for-putin-replacement-suitable-for-the-west-50275428.html

It is in the air, the whiff of the end is all around now.

Moscow saying truck blew up. Video clearly shows blast is ahead of the truck and the truck would drive into it. What's more, the showers of molten missile case are quite clear for seconds after the blast.

"Offers below" the water line lol

From the video, there are showers of sparks being blown across the structure which are like those seen after a missile strike.

But who's missile?

False flag attack to give an excuse for using nukes?

The end is very close, whatever. Any use of nukes and nato goes in. Otherwise Russian army is defeated and in retreat.

About a week or so to go for my prediction of the ceasefire and withdrawal.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/8/7370877/

Scroll to bottom, video of the moment of explosion.

err.. this is a critical moment that could result in a collapse of the war or a Putin tactical nuke response*. It is kinda big!

*Assuming a missile and warhead can be found that will actually work as intended.

Yes, revenge attacks post war. Lots of demobbed Ukrainian soldiers returning to destroyed towns and villages, throw in a dose of PTSD and add a truck load of freely available ordnance and after yet another discovery of more murdered children in shallow graves, well Moscow is going to have a long lasting security problem.

In fact, expect revenge attacks for many years to come all over Russia and also targeting the oligarchs who will be increasingly viewed as facilitators of Putin's war by not opposing it.

It is going to be a long deadly decade for Russia post war and one of the reasons that continuing an association with any Russian asset is a very very bad idea. There is not going to be any easy restoration and the bitterness towards Russia will last for many many years. That will also be adopted across BRICS since not everybody is a Putin supporter whatever the geopolitical initiatives.

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/kerch_bridge_on_fire_after_explosion_videos-4466.html

More images

another view showing extent of damage, not just a fire

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/8/7370873/