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When I commented at 17:20, 17:21 and 17:51 today I omitted to acknowledge PANG's contribution at 13:59. Apologies for that.

Pang suggested that today's rise in MKS might be linked to an announcement that Applegreen, MKS's "partner" in Ireland (presumably it's a franchise arrangement) who already operate 21 Marks & Spencer stores there will be opening another 20 this year and aim to increase this to 60 (i.e. another 19) in the medium term.

Pang supplied a link to the article in a publication called Retail Insight Network. I recommend that everybody reads this article which was published today.

At 11:13 yesterday (Sunday) somebody called "debsdowner" added a comment about the Applegreen expansion on ADVFN's page for MKS but until I read the article for which Pang provided the link I didn't understand the significance of this development because debsdowner's comment was too brief; it simply says "Applegreen to double M&S food outlets in Ireland".

According to Retail Insight Network's article, each new location will offer over 400 Marks & Spencer food products and a click and collect service for Marks & Spencer clothes and selected Marks & Spencer home products.

Incidentally, the final paragraph of the article says that Applegreen run 59 locations under the Welcome Break name in the UK. Of course they must be motorway service stations and any similar facilities on trunk roads. If I remember correctly, a lot of Welcome Break service stations contain mini Marks & Spencer shops selling mainly, or exclusively, food.

A few minutes ago two big trades showed up on London and South East. They are late reports of two trades, each involving 11,464.688 shares at 355.4p so the consideration for each one was about £40.7m. The first one was at 15:12:39 and the second was a second later at 15:12:40.

These two trades significantly boosted today's volume to 28.5 million shares. London and South East's algorithms don't show whether they were sales or purchases. At 15:12 MKS was trading at about 366.3p so can we assume that these two trades were sales?

I quote from my comment at 17:20:

"Curioulsy [I'VE JUST NOTICED THE TYPO - SORRY!!], between about 4 pm and 4:25 pm today Interactive Investor was showing volatlilty in MKS - 11p up, then 5p up, then up 10p, then up 3.5p, then up 10., then up about 9.5p!!

Today's London and South East chart doesn't show this volatility, but it is clear on today's Interactive Investor chart where there is zig-zagging between 4:05 pm and 4:19pm.

Do these two big trades help to explain this volatility?

JIMJAM:

You say in your comment at 17:01 that you don't expect a steady rise in the MKS share price between now and the results.

I agree. No share goes up continuously so there will be days, or periods within a given day, when MKS drops. What I hope for is a continuing upwards trend so that I can reach break-even and might even be able to sell at a profit.

FENDER5 -

Thank you for your comment at 15:26. Even though I believe that many people who trade a lot in shares (rather than holding for the long term) set a stop loss at 10% less than what they paid, I was very reluctant to sell at a loss especially when I was 15% down and even when 10%, or more recently 6 or 7%, down. Accordingly, I have continued to hold out for a recovery in the MKS share price.

I have too much money tied up in MKS. As I do not want to take a loss I haven't been able to redeploy this money in other stocks which I've been watching especially in the defence / aerospace sector - Rolls Royce, Chemring and Qinetiq. I did have BAe Systems but sold too soon at 1272.2p on 17th February!! I wrote about this on the London and South East page for BA.

When I bought MKS on 8th Janaury I'd thought about putting only half of that money into MKS and the other half into RR. Had I done that I'd now be up very nicely overall. I'd be up even more if I'd sold MKS at a loss of about 7% and moved all the proceeds into RR and/or CHG and/or QQ or even back into BA. Perhaps I wasn't ruthless enought with myself.

Due to a possible bid by KKR for Assura (AGR) I bought AGR at about 44.075p on Friday 21 February, even though I suspected that they'd fall on the approach to KKR's put-up or shut-up deadline at 5 pm on Friday 14th March. Indeed, they have fallen - right now I'm down about 8%. The reason why I went ahead and bought on 21 February rather than waiting to get them cheaper last week or even this week was my fear of missing out on a good gain if there were to be an announcement last week or this week that KKR and AGR have agreed takeover terms. However if KKR pull out, AGR is likely to fall even more in which case my current loss on paper would increase.

Curioulsy, between about 4 pm and 4:25 pm today Interactive Investor was showing volatlilty in MKS - 11p up, then 5p up, then up 10p, then up 3.5p, then up 10., then up about 9.5p!!

London and South East is showing that MKS closed up 9.9 at 364.7. Depending which part of the Interactive Investor website I looked at, a few minutes ago they were showing that it closed up 11.5 at either 364.7 or 366.3. In my experience, Interactive Investor's closing prices and related statistics are very unsettled and fluctuate a lot for about three and a half hours after the close and they are not reliable until just after 8 pm on the relevant trading day.

It will be interesting to see whether today's MKS gain is followed through tomorrow and later this week.

JIMJAM:

You say in your comment at 17:01 that you don't expect a steady rise in the MKS share price between now and the results.

I agree. No share goes up continuously so there will be days, or periods within a given day, when MKS drops. What I hope for is a continuing upwards trend so that I can reach break-even and might even be able to sell at a profit.

FENDER5 will go mad at me for having bought MKS at 377.8 the day before their holiday period trading announcement, especially as he predicted that they'd fall. He was right. Despite the excellent figures, they closed at 345.3 on 9th Janaury (the day of the announcement) and at 319.3 (meaning that I was about 15% down) on 27th January. However, if I remember correctly (1) 27th January was a bad day for UK, US and European shares generally due to the huge number of uploads in the USA during the preceding weekend of the Chinese DeepSeek AI app and the possible repercussions for US AI companies such as Nvidia and (2) there had been a recent spike in yields for new bonds which the UK government was selling and/or bad sentiment for retail shares.

It looks like the expectation of the excellent MKS trading announcement, on the basis of which I bought them, was built into the price of 377.8, even thought they'd closed at just over 400 on 3rd December and the 52 week intra-day high was 415.2 on 6th November. In addition, FENDER5 and/or others either here or on ADVFN have already said that at 377, MKS was probably overbought.

It's good to see MKS go up steadily on the last week and it's been up all of this morning. moments ago they were up 8.8p (2.48%) at 363.8 which is their highest since my purchase so my paper loss is now just 4.29% having been as much as 15%.

The rise so fat today is despite modest, and possibly slightly lower than normal, trading volume and an apparant absence of news.

Can anybody explain today's rise (long may it continue!!)? Is it just a question of manipulation by market makers?

GOOD Dr H -

Regarding your comment at 07:19 today, you are right about the disposal transaction announced in the RNS at 7 am today but your suggestion that the share price jumped to "84-86p in the last 15 minutes of trading last Friday [28 February]" is absolutely wrong. The price was actually hovering around 41.8p at the time.

I remind you and everyone else that there is a potential bid situation here. According to the RNS on Monday 17 February, from KKR , the interested party, their highest cash offer had been 48p. The shares closed at 42.5 that day having closed at 39p on Friday 14th February, but the price has dribbled back.

Moments ago AGR was up about 0.68p (1.63%).

KKR's put-up or shut-up deadline is at the end of next week at 5 pm on Friday 14th March. I suspect that their 48p offfer was not their best offer and as in all these situations there will be a lot of dialogue going on in the background not only between KKR (and their advisors) and the board but also between KKR (and their advisors) and the big shareholders.

Will KKR go hostile if the board does not agree a price to put to shareholders?

Yesterday afternoon London and South East's list of trades included a large block of about 3.658 million shares which was traded for 347.8p at 2:42 pm yesterday.

LSE showed this trade in black type so its algorithms were unable to suggest whether it was a sale or a purchase.

At the time of that trade, the spread was 353.4 to 353.6 so wouldn't it have been a sale?

Can we expect tomorrow's announcement of OCD's results for the year to 3 December 2024 to say that the retail division's turnover and profit were significantly more than in the previous financial year to 3 December 2023?

Kantar and similar organisations have said that Ocado.com's market share went up during trading in the key holiday period late last year and in early 2025. Don't forget that retail trading performance after 3 December 2024 affects the current financial year so it does not have an impact on the annual results for 2023-2024, but tomorrow's announcement will say something about the current year's trading.

Marks & Spencer and Ocado are partially joined at the hip because of MKS's half share as joint venture partner in Ocado's retail division, Ocado.com. If tomorrow's announcement says that the retail division's turnover and profit for 2023-2024 were materially higher than for 2022-2023 and indicates that expectations for the current year's trading are excellent, will we see a big jump in the MKS share price?

Is this week's upward trend in the MKS share price due to an expectation that Ocado retail's turnover and profit in 2023-2024 were significantly higher than in 2022-2023?

DANCINGBUDDHA -

Thank you for picking up on my comments here at 15:30 and 15:44 on Monday 17th February.

I knew that BA. shares wouldn't go down on Monday because of all the continuing talk at the weekend of the need to increase defence spending. However, I wasn't expecting to be able to monitor the market throughout Monday and bearing in mind that BA. has (with just a few exceptions) fallen on the day of every annual and half-year results and trading update in the last two years and on each of the three trading days following those updates, the object of making the limit order to sell at 1260p just a couple of minutes before the market opened was to secure a reasonable profit which I wouldn't get if the shares fell back later in the day. I'm still kicking myself for setting the limit order at 1260p after having also thought about setting it at 1300p. As I said in the first of my comments on Monday, my 1260 sell order was executed at 1272.2 at 08:00:42, just 42 seconds after the open, my profit was about 62p (5.128%) after transaction costs, and whilst I set my sell limit too low, a profit is a profit.

I was contemplating buying back into BA. on Monday (until about 10 am you could buy at just under 1300) or Tuesday but I didn't, so I'm now kicking myself even more because they closed up about 10% on Monday and although they closed very slightly down yesterday (Tuesday) they'd been about 2% at times.

I also thought about putting my BA. sale proceeds into Chemring (CHG) which I've been watching for months. CHG is another one which falls on the days of results and trading annoucements so I refrained from buying at about 360 or 365 just before their results annoucement on 17th December, and they fell heavily to close at 314.5 that day. They were as low as 297.5p on Friday 7 February.

If I was still holding BA. yesterday, I'd have sold the lot before yesterday's close because of they tend to fall on the days of results and trading annoucements. This is very much the same point which NOZ85 made in his comment at 07:27 today and which INVESTORHOG made in his comment at 07:55 today. Indeed, as I expected, BA. were down almost all of this morning (and as low as more than 2% down) but this afternoon they recovered and have been as much as 2% up but right now, about half an hour before the close, thy're down only 2p (about 0.15%) at 1334.5.

The price of any share doesn't move only in one direction. Over relatively short periods of time there can be quite a lot of zig-zagging up and down, even for shares which are not particularly volatile, so, subject my funds not being tied up elsewhere, I intend to buy CHG and to buy back into BA. on any share price weakness.

Further to my previous comment at 15:30 today, I considered buying back shortly after my 1260 limit sell order was executed at about 1272.

BA. were between about 1282 and 1292 until 10am. I thought that today's rise was running out of steam by late morning when they were 1313. A few minutes ago they were 1323 and they've been as high as 1326 today.

I'm inclined to think that whatever is in Wednesday's annual results announcement, the conversation has moved on and that investors, market makers and (I dread to mention the word) analysts will now focus on the need for European countries to spend much more on defence in the future rather than on brutally knocking the share price down if they don't like something in the results. Accordingly, my fears about the share price being very likely to fall on Wednesday (see my comments on 11 Feb'25 and at 15:30 today) are beginning to evaporate and I might buy back in either later today or tomorrow.

As I said in my posts on 5 Jan and 11 Feb'25:

(1) I bought a few on 13 Dec'24 at 1202.57p after seeing the price dribble down to just under 1200 from a 52 week closing high of 1400p on 10th June and 52 week intra-day price high of 1417p on 12 Nov'24.

(2) I'd intended to sell if the price recovered to 1300p but the decline continued. On 31 Dec'24 BA. hit a new 52 week intra-day low of 1130p and closed at 1148.5p.

In my comment on 11 Feb'25 (the subject heading was "2024 Annual Results - Wednesday 19 February 2025) I said that unless BA.'s annual results this coming Wednesday are spectacularly good (in other words, if they are poor or even moderately good) I feared that the shares would fall because (apart from just a few execeptions) since the 2022 results announcement on 23 Feb'23 the shares have closed down on the day of every final results, interim results and trading annoucement, and also on the most of the three trading days which followed those announcements.

Last Wednesday or Thursday we got a slew of statements from President Trump, JD Vance, the USA defence secretary Pete Hegseth which in effect require Europe to spend a lot more on defence and on Thursday (13 Feb'25). Thursday's reaction was an intra-day price high of about 1270 (up about 60p) but the closing price was 1248p. Despite my fear that my "target" price of 1300p wouldn't be reached before the results announcement and the risk of the shares dropping on and shortly after the announcement, I didn't sell. I kicked myself not selling when they were about 60p up on Thursday and also because I'd refrained from selling on Thursday 23 Jan'25 when they closed at 1258.5p which had been the only other time they'd been significantly higher (about 3%) than my purchase price.

Due to the risk of a price fall on Wednesday's results announcement, I tried to sell on Friday afternoon by setting up sell order at 1260p but it wasn't fulfilled. Friday's closing price was 1228p, down 20p.

Of course weekend statements from USA politicians, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutteand EU President Ursula von der Leyen meant that BA. and other defence stocks would go up today so I set up another sell order just before the market opened. I thought about setting my sell order price at 1280p or even 1300p but I settled on 1260 again, so I was annoyed to get a text alert from Interactive Investor just after 8 am saying that BA. had gone up to 1288.5p. Eve nat 8:01am the price had been as high as 1301.5p. I tried to cancel my 1260 sell order but my Interactive Investor account was updated quite quickly to show that my 1260 sell order was executed at 1272.2 at 08:00:42, just 42 seconds after the open! My profit is about 62p (5.128%) after transaction costs. I set my sell limit too low but a profit is a profit (and it's better than a loss)!

DEAR ALL -

From the style and content of the comments, it is clear that "Dealmaker1" on this page is one and the same person as "2newinvestor" on ADVFN's chatboard page for GLEN.

Until 3 February 2025, "2newinvestor" (commenting on here as Dealmaker1) used the name "covid 19 deal" on ADVFN's page for GLEN. On 7 February he or she or (if they are a bot) it started using the name "2newinvestor " there.

I can assure you that despite the similarity between the name which that person uses on ADVFN. "2newinvestor", and my name here on London and South East which is "BadNewInvestor", I have no connection with him, with her or (if they are a bot) with it.

What do people think the reaction to BAe's 2024 results announcement on Wednesday next week will be?

I fear that unless the results are spectacularly good (i.e. if they are poor or even moderately good) BAe's share price will fall because was down at the close on the days of almost all of its recent trading annoucements and on the most of the three trading days which followed those announcements. The price fell on:

(1) the days when BAe announced 2022 finals on 23 Feb'23, the 2023 half-year results on 2 Aug'23, the trading update on 13 Nov'23, their 2023 finals on 21 Feb'24, their 2024 half-year on 1 Aug'24, and their trading update on 12 Nov'24; and

(2) on the three trading days after each of those dates, subject to just a few execeptions.

The exceptions were:

a modest rise of 16p on the day after the 2022 finals announcement;

a small (4.5p) rise on 13 Nov'23 (the day of a trading update);

modest rises on the second and third days after announcing their 2023 finals on 21 Feb'24;

a modest rise (10.5p) on the day of their trading update on 9 May'24 and tiny rises of 2p and 3p on the first and third days after that, but they fell 45p on the second day after that update!; and

a tiny rise of 2.5p on the third day after their 2024 half-year announcement on 1 Aug'24.

I bought BAe at 1202.57p on 13 Dec'24. I could have got out for a 3.3% profit at about 1250p during the last two weeks of January but I decided to hold in the hope that the mid-Janaury upward trend would continue. Right now I am down about 2.2% but my absolute loss is less than £150 because I didn't buy many.

I quote part of my comment here on London and South East at 11:11pm on 5 Jan'25:

"According to London and South East, in the last 52 weeks the highest closing price was 1400p on 10th June and the highest intra-day price was 1417p on 12th November. After that I watched the price dribble down and decided to buy a few if it fell to about 1200p which it did after about a month. Accordingly, on 13th December I bought a few at 1202.57p, intending to sell if the price recovers to 1300p. Meanwhile the decline has continued; on 31st December there was a new 52 week intra-day low of 1130p and the closing price was 1148.5p ... BA. is very undervalued. It is the largest defence contractor in Europe and one of six prime contractors to the US Department of Defense. Despite the possibility that the USA will reduce their commitment to NATO under Donald Trump who takes office shortly, they and the rest of the West are going to have to ramp up defence spending, as other people commenting on this board have been saying recently."

Further to my comment at 09:02 today, it looks like Interactive Investor's statistics (current price, the opening, high and low prices for the day, volume, percentage changes, etc) are now updating correctly for CURY and all the other shares which I follow, and on the page of my account with them which lists all of my investments.

When I logged into Interactive Investor's page for CURY for the first time today about 15 minutes ago, the spread was 90p to 120p, the last trade was at 94.75 (up 0.15) and the volume was 1,295,182. It has been stuck at those figures throughout the last 15 minutes so it the II systems are faulty therefore at the moment we cannot trreat any of II's statistics as correct. However, it looks like the II trading facility is giving accurate prices because moments ago it was quoting sell and buy prices (96.17p to sell 500 CURY and 96.1859p to buy 500 CURY) which are consistent with the London and South East spread of 96.10 to 96.45 as at 15 minutes ago.

It is gratifying to see CURY going up today.

rugs -

i reproduce below in quotation marks a news article on the london and south east page for bae systems from 1:47 pm yesterday https://www.lse.co.uk/news/ba./european-defence-stocks-fall-on-talk-of-ukraine-peace-plan-u39vyzro1q08b4d.html it suggests why chg, qq, ba. and other defence stocks shares fell yesterday. i have ba.

at the time i type this ba. is up 0.85%, qq 0.7% up and chg down 0.1%. yesterday's fall is very surprising because huge amounts of equipment and munitions used by ukraine need replacing and i'd read that european factories can't produce stuff fast enough to re-stock at the rate it's been used. also, natoo must increase defence expenditure due to russian and other global threats and donald trump's objection to the amount by which usa has subsidised other nato countries.

"milan, feb 6 (reuters) - shares in some european defence companies fell sharply on thursday, with traders citing growing talk over a possible ukraine peace plan ahead of a meeting between russian president vladimir putin and u.s. president donald trump.

a gauge of aerospace and defence stocks turned suddenly negative after reuters reported, citing russian state news agency ria, that preparations for a meeting between putin and trump were at an "advanced stage".

ria cited leonid ****sky, head of the state duma's international affairs committee, as saying the meeting could take place in february or march.

"if the putin-trump meeting is imminent, it's logical to assume that there will be pressure to bring a swift resolution to the conflict with ukraine," said carlo franchini, head of institutional clients at banca ifigest in milan.

trump and putin have both said they are keen to hold a meeting whose agenda could include trump's stated aim to bring a swift end to the ukraine war.

saab ab, rheinmetall, hensoldt , leonardo, thales and bae systems were last down between 1 and almost 4%.

their declines pushed the stoxx aerospace and defence index , which has more than doubled since russia invaded ukraine in february 2022, down as much as 1.4% from a record high hit earlier in the session.

the rouble currency strengthened against the dollar and even more so against the chinese yuan on thursday, buoyed up by talk of possible talk between moscow and washington.

the broader stoxx 600 was up 0.8%.

analysts have said a ceasefire in ukraine could trigger a selloff in the sector, but investors remain upbeat about the defence spending outlook in nato countries.

franchini said declines in defence stocks could create "buying opportunities". "let's not forget that trump wants nato members to increase defence spending to 5% of gdp," he said.

u.s. allies expect trump's administration to present a plan to end russia's war on ukraine at the munich security conference in germany next week, bloomberg reported on wednesday, citing people familiar with the matter."

rugs -

i rerprodiuce below in quotation marks a news article on the london and south east page for bae systems from 1:47 pm yesterday https://www.lse.co.uk/news/ba./european-defence-stocks-fall-on-talk-of-ukraine-peace-plan-u39vyzro1q08b4d.html it suggests why chg, qq, ba. and other defence stocks shares fell yesterday. i have ba.

at the time i type this ba. is up 0.9%, qq 0.6% up and chg unchanged. yesterday's fall is very surprising because huge amount of equipment and munitions used by ukraine needs replacing and i'd read that european factories can't produce stuff fast enough to re-stock at the rate it's been used. also, nato must increase defence expenditure due to russian and other global threats and donald trump's objection to the amount by which usa had subsidised other nato countries.

"milan, feb 6 (reuters) - shares in some european defence companies fell sharply on thursday, with traders citing growing talk over a possible ukraine peace plan ahead of a meeting between russian president vladimir putin and u.s. president donald trump.

a gauge of aerospace and defence stocks turned suddenly negative after reuters reported, citing russian state news agency ria, that preparations for a meeting between putin and trump were at an "advanced stage".

ria cited leonid ****sky, head of the state duma's international affairs committee, as saying the meeting could take place in february or march.

"if the putin-trump meeting is imminent, it's logical to assume that there will be pressure to bring a swift resolution to the conflict with ukraine," said carlo franchini, head of institutional clients at banca ifigest in milan.

trump and putin have both said they are keen to hold a meeting whose agenda could include trump's stated aim to bring a swift end to the ukraine war.

saab ab, rheinmetall, hensoldt , leonardo, thales and bae systems were last down between 1 and almost 4%.

their declines pushed the stoxx aerospace and defence index , which has more than doubled since russia invaded ukraine in february 2022, down as much as 1.4% from a record high hit earlier in the session.

the rouble currency strengthened against the dollar and even more so against the chinese yuan on thursday, buoyed up by talk of possible talk between moscow and washington.

the broader stoxx 600 was up 0.8%.

analysts have said a ceasefire in ukraine could trigger a selloff in the sector, but investors remain upbeat about the defence spending outlook in nato countries.

franchini said declines in defence stocks could create "buying opportunities". "let's not forget that trump wants nato members to increase defence spending to 5% of gdp," he said.

u.s. allies expect trump's administration to present a plan to end russia's war on ukraine at the munich security conference in germany next week, bloomberg reported on wednesday, citing people familiar with the matter. (reporting by danilo masoni and samuel indyk, editing by alun john and a

Since writing my previous comment at 10:59 am I have seen a news report on London and South East saying that according to Kantar's figures, in the 12 weeks to 26th January MKS's grocery sales increased 10.5% and OCD's grocery sales increased 11.3% compared with the same period last year, thus outperfoming all the other supermarkets. Of course MKS own 50% of the OCD retail business.

Assuming that these Kantar figures were released this morning, they cannto account for all of the increase in the MKS share price since 27th January so, as I said in my previous comment, I look forward to other readers' explanations for this increase.

We all think that MKS is oversold after the dramatic share price fall on and just after 9th January when they issued their report on trading over the holiday period but from 327.6 on Wednesday 15th the price recovered to 341.8 on Tuesday 21st, only to close at 321.5 on Friday 24th and to fall slightly to 319.3 on Monday 27th (the day tech stocks were hit badly after the announccement about downloads of the Deepseek app to Apple devices). At 10:58 am today, MKS is up 7.9p at 342.9.

Of course everybody reading this can read the graph showing the variation of the share price in the last three weeks so what is the point of this comment?

The interesting thing is that these price fluctuations have occured against a backdrop of what appears to be stable, moderate trading volume for MKS, apart from Thursday 23rd January when volume was 46.3 million. Moreover, if LSE's analysis is to be believed, it seems that on the days when the price rises the volume of shares sold outnumbers the volume bought.

If I remember correctly, some recent comments say 70% or 80% of MKS is in institutional hands in which case the modest trading volume implies that the institutions are not buying or selling large numbers of shares. Other recent comments (also If I remember correctly) sugeest that the market makers manipulate the price. I guess that activity with options, contracts for difference, etc also affects the underlying price.

I am not so naive as not to know that over time share prices fluctuate, and can do so quite dramatically, but I would be interested to see comments from people reading this explaining why they think MKS has been rising since the recent low of 319.3 on Monday 27th January. (By the way, due to modest trading volumes I do not regard "oversold" as a reason").

Is the recent price recovery due to a move out of tech stocks into other sectors as a consequence of "Deepseek Monday" (27th January), or due to a move into stocks which would be less affected USA tariff increases on European and UK goods? Or is it caused wholly or partly by market maker price manipulation? If so, what are the market makers' motives.

DOSCO -

Thank you for answering the question which both drifking27 and Talatum had asked. I was also wondering why the price has fallen so much today after a steady rise since Monday 6th January, especially as the volume if shares traded has not been unusually large.

It might be several months until the cause of yesterday's crash at an air base in Alaska involving an USAF F-35 due to an "in-flight malfunction" is known.

Everyone should bear in mind that BAE Systems is just one of many suppliers to Lockheed Martin who put the F-35 together.

At the moment BA. is down about 36p (2.88%) but Lockheed Martin Corporation is UP $4.077 (0.89%).