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Terraplane - my answer is short

You’ve spend too much time not understanding what I wrote

I wrote openreach does not provide “retail” services. Ie. Does not provide services to the retail paying portion of a business.

You are arguing with me, yet confirming what I said

They do how ever “provide “ the connection, in my words likely an openreach with a piece of fibre to connect to your house.

Which I think is the second line of your classic meaning

“To provide or give someone something they need”

I’m very sorry you’ve got so confused by the whole thing. What I said was 100% correct and one way or another your slightly confused post confirms.

I think this demonstrates very well I understand exactly what openreach do, who they are and why.

As I’ve already said, if you go back far enough you will see it was me who explained to majority on here Openreach didn’t own network. I had difficulty convincing several on here who claim this knowledge as their own.

Thanks anyway. Please reread what I said. It will confirm most of your ranting.

Expat - I agree

AK is proving to be a smart operator.

As a starting point you might think

If she plans to deliver this, she would already know or have a good idea for doing it. By the time she speaks publicly, she would have already covered of all the things us plebs can think of.

If AK has no intention of doing this, then a public statement like this could be to drum up interest, make the point BT is undervalued &/or could be winning favour with the regulator, who for years thinks openreach should be properly spun off & who obviously have ideas how this could be done.

The idea this could never happen, isn’t an argument at all.

My personal opinion is it would diminish bit a bit, but AK might see a way of making it work. It could also be a defensive move, it would kill altnets & in part align the interests of all the big players.

As I’ve said, in my opinion, the most catastrophic events for BT would be their large wholesale customers, like Sky choosing to use other networks as a priority.

Doing this with openreach might not be optimal, but could put these massive risks to bed.

Maybe it’s better to have a piece of a successful network business than to be fighting arsonists on every front.

Just some thoughts

For once phatz. I’ll give you some fatherly advice.

Go away, have cup of tea, maybe cuddle your boo-noo.

Come back, read your messages & see if your mother would be proud of you.

That’s all. & in case you are struggling, even though you think you do, you have no idea who I am or my age…..

Thanks Paname

I know you have just said it, but you have to be direct with these people.

Phatz not only doesn’t know difference between “your” & “you’re” as you beautifully mentioned (very clever)

But he insults, makes nonsense arguments, misinterprets, name calls, swears etc etc then somehow expects posters like me, to treat him

Seriously and with respect.

He is right when I post to these people I treat them with similar respect they show others.

I should learn to grow up really, at my age.

Oh good grief - the artificial unintelligence app has turned up on the board.

I think I’ll leave you all to not read posts properly, jump to crazy conclusions & bark at the moon.

Bee tree - we really don’t. I think if you go back far enough it was me who broke the news that openreach don’t own the network.

Most of the people on here now saying this argues with me, so I had to prove it to them.

That’s not what I’m saying in recent post, neither is lil Rod. If you need some help reading our post, please ask rather than jumping to silly conclusions

Well done layseries1 - you have picked the other way of looking at it.

Of course an Openreach sale would either include the network or a 50 to 100 year contract to support it. Ie carry on “providing” connectivity, carrying that bit of fibre where it needs to go, but not to sell retail services…..

It’s not difficult is it?

You are 100% right if you follow the in-logic of posters who lack the imagination to see it.

I think lil Rod laid it out the other evening, one of many options might be, BT heads up a consortium with VMO2 & Vodafone, stop over builds, run a network, reduce each other capex (& op ex) should they individually try and compete with their own national networks etc etc etc.

My dear phatz. I refuse to poison the board and lower myself into your gutter.

A thinking mind would see this article based investor thinking on only the first couple of minutes trading. Nothing surprising as this source isn’t necessarily super trusted.

In terms of direction of thinking (if not travel) the words / thinking of the CEO is more

Aligned with lil Rod, than yours. Irrespective of her motives, both she and he think it will / could return value to market cap.

You really are a silly boy. You are tripping over yourself to prove a point, but you’re not.

Well, some un-thinking on here might agree with you, but at least they have the sense to keep quiet for now.

Better to keep your mouth shut, in case everyone may think you a fool, rather than open it to remove all & any doubt.

Terraplane - it’s all in the terminology

A little bit of think on your part would see I refer to the classic definition of a “provide”

“ Communications providers (also called service providers) are the organisations that sell phone, broadband, data and TV services to homes and businesses.”

As in “retail” in my post.

I’m referring to the provision / provide, as in the engineer who connects the fibre (provides) will likely be Openreach.

I separated the two, by using the word “retail” which Openreach don’t do.

I thought that was clear. I guess “provider” is an Ofcom invented noun, where as I’m talking about the verb, an action to walk to my house carry a cable / fibre / provision.

Terraplane - if you cannot now show everyone e in this board irrefutable proof there is some kind of reason why BT could not link network and openreach for a sale.

You might think this is a bad plan, but that’s very different to the certainty you display in your post

Also, openreach do provide broadband and wholesale (in so cases white label) services, I think what you mean is they don’t retail anything.

If I call up for fibre, it’s is likely openreach will provide it unless I choose VM or maybe an alt net.

As for everything else. You don’t get to choose what other post. If you are weak minded you can block it, if your backbone is a little stronger you can choose not to read it.

It’s not difficult is it?

As for foreign ownership, the obvious point is look at the share holding. Look at energy and other utility company’s. Defence, steel making etc etc etc.

Silence is deafening again today lil Rod.

I can only think your detractors are trying to do a re-boot, clear their caches and registers.

Silence is deafening today lil rod, deafening.

Well done lil Rod, no one else will say it but you have been calling the right direction of travel & maligned for it.

It looks like BT (the only one who really matters) is minded for follow your strategy prediction, more people to go quicker and selling off Openreach or considering selling off Openreach.

I might not necessarily want to see that sale any time soon but looks like you’re on it.

I wonder how many posters on here will submit to your obvious knowledge and insight.

Must be nice to be the only one whose nearly right, outside of the group think cliché

Alwaysaprofit- I really wouldn’t take this board too seriously.

It’s full of blowhards. By the time they are bragging about their investments, trying to sell you the idea they have mastered capitalism (whilst pumping iron) (YMCA style) or their opinions should be treated like a religion, when really it’s just stating the blooming obvious, you pretty much know they are trying too hard,

I will say previous analysis I’ve shared is pretty factual in terms of relationships between cable giants pulling strings and the connections between them (Dana Sky ceo) for one. Liberty media, VM, Comcast, John Malone etc etc are all linked & bound to US cable company anti incumbent ideology.

In a world of possibilities it’s all speculation, but I will say some of the risks I have outlined don’t decrease with time, I would argue if Sky can see a decent wholesale alternative they may be pushed into it by Comcast because of that cable ideology.

As for lil rod, he is just making fun of the majority of people on here. I think the most interesting part of his posts are the responses he gets. Very telling & an insight of other posters.

Gentlemen & ladies,

It’s a public board, lil Rod has as much right to express his view, opinions or even play games with lesser intellects.

Last time I looked, world isn’t censored by a bunch of think skinned sados.

Blocking people on a public board speaks loudly of your characters, especially when you block opinions or views you don’t like, but I’m guessing you’re not girlie reporting all the abuse & profanity directed at lil Rod.

He is and should be fed to post what ever he wants, far as I can see the actual abuse & vitriol pretty much goes in one direction.

His humour and sometime insight is met with a disgraceful response.

If you are wrong headed, you might get that bit wrong.

Quite right lil Rod. We don’t agree on politics, I prefer not to be led by the nose by propaganda outfits both domestic & foreign.

It’s clear to me Russia has been raging an influence war, sowing seeds of division & alternative facts to the terminally stupid, most of which are too far gone.

“Elites” “globalisation” “establishment” etc are all Russian obsessions, funny how these have drifted into western culture as something bad.

£1.85 is still a very low market value, must remember same market values companies some laugh at for way more during recent real world transactions £31bln + for sky and virginmediaO2. To the foggiest of minds that should help indicate nothing is clear cut.

A hero, forget which one, once said “If everyone is thinking the same thing, then no one is thinking”.

Wise words.

Anyway, a proper hero once said

Thanks special needs phatz.

BTW it’s you’re.

Well lil Rod, it’s an opinion and all yours to boot, rather than something fed to you by little pretenders.

Who’s this phatz account? , he’s like a special needs midge buzzing around, desperate for attention. Maybe should go on the pathetic list, one of many.

I can see the posting police seem to turn a blind eye to the nature of his posts. These guys can’t even be constant with their sensibilities.

Looks like it’s all about double standards. So I’ll repeat how pathetic this cute little cult is on this board.

I’ll go to bed now & will (best I can) imagine some kind of partial sell off. (Although of course this hits revenue and diminishes BT’s fire power, so it’s not all gravy.

I’m sure we can question each others thoughts, without one or the other jumping to silly conclusions about motives.

You’ve just seen the plan where they will have 4,600 sites in 2031……….. after closing 108 sites over 6 years.

Link in here

108 switch sites by 2031. 4600 2030’s 1000 retaining sites

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2025/02/openreach-to-start-closure-of-105-national-uk-exchanges-in-april-2025.html