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Well done lil Rod. In amongst the madness lays some very good discussion points ( & beautifully written if I may say so). Quality of writing if not the content makes it a worthy read.

I’m too tired to get involved in pointless argument with Fleccy this evening, he doesn’t seem to have any imagination outside of the usual unquestioning rhetoric. Some time wonder if his account is some kind of artificial unintelligence program.

For anyone listening to his posts and not doing their own work, they should already be seeing his future promises of returns and savings are somewhere between 10 to 15 years further out than he has been trying to convince them. But then again, I’m doing all this from memory so might be wrong

Here is a link https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/products/the-all-ip-programme/exchange-exit-programme

But of course that’s up to them.

I do wish you were right about your sale theory. I think Bharti might be able to throw BT international (global) some juicy contracts to help make them look more attractive. Never know that might encourage a sale / buyout of that business. Maybe a big share buy back & therefore increase share holder value a bit?

What do you think?

I think it’s called the “exchange exit plan” & it doesn’t prescribe majority of exchange builds close until 2040+

My understand is it’s just over 100 site by 2031/32.

Nothing else is worth my time to answer. I really don’t know how a functioning mind can publically announce competitors couldn’t possibly do anything to impact BT’s position…..

That, I think should be enough for any other poster to question your ability.

Government & competitors have already introduced a two year delay for TDM switch off. Initially scheduled and planned for end of 2025.

Obviously Fleccy, the words “ missed opportunity “ doesn’t have anything to do with current / existing market conditions. We both know that, but you’re a last word kind of guy super inflating to what you think you know as a certainty.

BT TV never needed to compete with Sky back in 2005ish with boxes and contracts. BT TV could have been open to anyone with a BB connection as an OTT service.

I messaged BT TV at the time to encourage an App for every smart tv / game console / smart phone, but a lack of ambition seemed to get in the way. As I said missed opportunity & I’ve seen a few of those over the years. All missed opportunities.

Which, back to the original thread, colours my confidence with TT customers and a focused flexibility needed to keep them. (Jury is out) which in my opinion BT would need to.

Obviously you are not open to consider risk, any attempt to look at such things leads to a Fleccy and his flock pile on. Usually starting with questioning the posters motives or legitimacy, hence calling you pathetic

It’s expected though & leads to the same tired group think.

What you repeat infinitum is the simple bit that any simpleton should be able to work out for themselves. Even the ones who don’t know the difference between “their “ & “there”

The interesting stuff for me & I hope some is how we get there, looking at the competition, imagining issues and understanding possible options

If BT succeeds in delivering the obvious, it won’t get there in one direct route. The combinations of competition & what that competition will do to thwart best laid plans should be a constant discussion on this page. But posters like you don’t leave any room for it.

Through all lil Rods ramblings, he is actually making exactly that point, but you are all deaf to it, because there’s no room for an alternative thread which may or may not be of interest.

I had a quick read through this report yesterday, some of which I don’t fully understand but overall looks promising to me, in terms of stated aims. Although my personal opinion is I would have liked BT to have made a success of new ventures, TV, Charging etc etc which I see a missed opportunities and failures. For example, I see Liberty going big on solar and battery installs and support with a venture called Egg, where as BT were always half in, half out with their EV chargers.

It did occur to me there were sections specifically considering risk and what BT’s approach would be.

I couldn’t help thinking, based on previous posts and reactions to these. Some flakey wasters on this board, in this case could only conclude, BT must have some kind of anti BT agenda?

The mere consideration of risk outside of the mind numbing chorus would normally attract this response, I think this demonstrates how silly this group think is.

Larry not sure what’s going on there. Altice completed sale of all its share No ember 2024?

Analysis flawed. Altice sold up because they were diminished by a fraud case and needed the money.

What is nuclear power, water, etc classified as?

On contrary Fleccy, it’s brilliant. I’m very very happy to see BT moving towards what I hope is fair value.

Thanks little Rod, yes you are quite right, lowest of the low stalked me and then published Personal details. You have to worry about people so entitled as that, could be up to all sorts of unsavoury things. Then he realises we live in same area. I have very very good idea where, just by cross referencing fibre delivery and pole usage.

So you still haven’t bothered to read the bit where fleecy accuses me of being dishonest and disingenuous?

I think calling him pathetic (which is undeniable fact) was very restrained.

Yeah. You never read the bit where Fleecy is accusing me of being dishonest or disingenuous…….

Fkeccy - expat - I hold a large BT holding.

Of course I could say anything on here

But, it’s pathetic to conclude mulling over the detail or risks as peddling an agenda or narrative. Honestly pathetic to think everyone has to jump on your band rose tinted band wagon

Pathetic

Yes that makes more sense. I did say subsidiary, so I was think Plusnet or even start something even more value based to keep TT customers happy.

Something like this would, in my opinion be the best option, exactly as per my previous post.

But, that doesn’t change TT customer base is very tricky to hold on to. They are proven to be price driven almost at all costs, TT have a bad reputation, it’s only price that has won or kept these customers. They have obviously already moved or made choices based on price, my personal opinion is lots of these customers will dislike BT or the idea of BT for what ever reason. (Probably price or perception they were ripped off)

So e if this is my opinion so not worth much, but some of this is obvious.

It’s a tricky one & BT will need to be careful if they do this because it could add to their current losses if not careful.

If most of these can only access service via openreach I suppose it doesn’t matter, but I doubt that’s the case or won’t be soon

Very few areas don’t have access to another network nowadays. Pretty much any populated area will have a choice now.

Expat - are you arguing BT is more expensive than TT as a reason to sell?

Are you arguing TT customers are not particularly price sensitive ?

I think we could all agree TT customers are probably the least sticky. I would argue even more so to a BT contract.

Again, not all. But most

Agree market is up.

Who underwrites it if there isn’t any money, could easily be pennies on the pound & everyone lines up for what is left.

Fleccy - predictably misses out the bit these customers are mainly with TT because they won’t pay BT prices. So logic is they would move on their own account soo as they could to some where cheaper.

Not all, but in this customer bases case, vast majority likely wouldn’t stay paying for BT services.

You can disagree with me, but you can’t dismiss that logic. TT of all providers will have a price savvy view of the world & likely have no fear changing provider

Talk Talk only exist because their customer base didn’t want to pay BT prices. I fail to see how moving this customer base into a company like BT, where they have already made their point about not buying BT services, regardless how bad the service they get on the cheap is.

Maybe they could go to a BT subsidiary?

My guess is BT will be too slow and miss out, but would like to be proved wrong as any other result could be a big loss all round.

Initially I struggle to see upside unless BT can get and hold on to this customer base, otherwise they will prop up other providers

Two scenarios I see are

BT misses out on millions of pounds TT owe them but they absorb & keep customer base best they can, I see this as best option but difficult to see how.

Or

BT loses millions of pounds TT owes them & TT customer base rolls across to altnets as much as possible meaning BT also loses ongoing wholesale rentals too, which would be bad all round. (Circa £60 pm)

Oh & BTW I agree with points made about listening to alternative views. However anything tommy Robinson, neo Nazi & or Russian propaganda, racism or bigatory needs to be the exception.

Savage he is a deplorable Tommy Robinson follower for cricky sake. He is poisoned, damaged goods, he thinks brexit had anything to do with borders.

He is a village idiot, one of many in here. He promotes anti British, anti civilised views and thinks he is being patriotic.

Don’t waste your time on people who are so blinded they have lost contact with the realities of the world & choose to feed their souls from main Kampf without realising what they do.

He means businesses failing as in business that uses BT

Not BT’s business group…….

Although current share price direction proves me wrong. I do remember a time when share price was circa £3:30 & Deutsche Bank were the only ones talking about share price falling to £1.

At the time, usual suspects were saying exactly the same things about them, but DB turned out to be right.

Cause and effect ? Who knows.