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Too right lil rod. There are plenty on this board unable to think their way through these potential options.

By the time they have tried to read this and then wilfully misunderstand everything, these Potential strategy ideas will be openreach going into space with monkeys or something?

Thanks lil rod. A sale or creating a deal where all the big players own a bit of openreach could be a defensive play.

So for example, if sky, Vodafone or even VM (not sure how VM could) shared ownership of openreach with BT, I think it would stop them looking to use altnets.

If they own openreach with a 50 year contract or if they part owner openreach+the network or if they owner openreach with a 100year lease on the network

Why would they use altnets ? Or why would they continue to build their own network after investing billions buying a bit of BT !!!!

Just thinking out loud

Yes I’ve asked some Actual Intelligence. Confirms my thoughts. I was thinking cafe WiFi. Openreach provides the connectivity (not retail) BT provides the service to a retail customer (after playing the openreach wholesale price). The cafe is BT’s customer but the pole drinking coffee are the end users. On this case the end users cannot report a fault etc because they don’t own the customer contract

Yes, a customer and an end-user can be different.

A customer is the individual or entity that purchases a product or service, while an end-user is the individual who actually uses the product or service.

Examples:

A parent buying a toy for their child: The parent is the customer, and the child is the end-user.

A company purchasing software for its employees: The company is the customer, and the employees who use the software are the end-users.

A hospital buying a medical device: The hospital is the customer, but the patients who use the device are the end-users.

Key Differences:

Customers: are primarily concerned with factors like cost, features, and strategic benefits.

End-users: are more focused on usability, efficiency, and how the product or service helps them complete their tasks.

In some cases, the customer and end-user can be the same person, such as when an individual buys a product for their own use.

Why the distinction matters:

Understanding the difference between customers and end-users is crucial for businesses to effectively market their products and tailor their services. By recognizing the distinct needs and priorities of each group, businesses can develop targeted strategies to optimize their offerings and improve overall customer satisfaction. For example, marketing messages for a B2B product might need to highlight the cost savings and strategic benefits for the purchasing company (the customer), while also showcasing the ease of use and efficiency gains for the employees who will be using the software (the end-users).

Absolutely right lil rod, openreach has lots of products which they supply / provide to their customers (as I said not retail )

Brilliant company, lots to offer, like to see them spin off with a 50 year contract in their pocket, unless our ceo can find a way to get their value into the BT share price.

Never liked the term end user being used to describe the customer account holder and the end user, in many cases I think these can be two different things

& as a seasoned professional, you would know there’s not place for ambiguity in the telecoms world.

This might cheer you up lil rod

A list of products and services openreach provide to their customers (not retail of course)

It’s an embarrassment of riches and exactly as described, engineers providing connections things, wholesale customers paying for it. It’s not difficult is it?

I guess this list won’t cover everything. It’s quite a wholesale business, but you already know that. Please note the words “provide” and “products” & “customers”. Obviously not in the retail sense though.

Openreach provides various broadband and network access products, including different types of fibre broadband, copper-based services, and Ethernet connections. They also offer passive products like Dark Fibre and Physical Infrastructure Access (PIA). Openreach is the company that builds and maintains the physical network infrastructure, including fibre and copper lines, that most UK broadband and phone services rely on.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Broadband:

Fibre Broadband: Openreach offers both Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC) and Fibre to the Premises (FTTP). FTTC uses fibre to connect the exchange to the cabinet, then copper to the premises. FTTP, also known as Full Fibre, provides a direct fibre connection from the exchange to the property, resulting in faster and more reliable speeds.

Copper Broadband: This includes services like ADSL (Asymmetrical Digital Subscriber Line).

Network Access:

Ethernet:

High-bandwidth, point-to-point connections for businesses needing to extend their networks.

Optical:

High-capacity services for organizations needing to move large amounts of data over dedicated fibre connections.

Passive Products:

These include Dark Fibre (unused fibre optic cables) and PIA (Physical Infrastructure Access), which allows companies to access Openreach's infrastructure to build their own networks.

Other Services:

Wholesale Line Rental (WLR), PSTN, ISDN2, ISDN30: Traditional voice services over copper lines.

Local Loop Unbundling (LLU): Allows other providers to use Openreach's local loops to offer their own services.

Exchange Based Products: Allows providers to place equipment in Openreach's points of presence (POPs).

Errorplane - weirdo.

Exhibiting very strange behaviour now.

lil Rod sorry you’ve got these trolls buzzing round everything you post. It’s not right.

Yes lil Rod, apologies were for the state of the board.

It’s a sad day when being correct about the detail doesn’t count for anything.

You would think a bunch of bullies making fools out of themselves would attract strong views from decent posters.

I mean, what kind of lunacy is monkeys in space and personal insults from errorplane & what ever his name is ?

Very odd. Still, I see you & the news boss’s aligned views of the world continue to push up share price in a difficult trading environment.

I agree. Apologies.

Errorplane - it includes humans….

I do like a banana though. I hope you’re not reacting like this because you’ve choked on the realisation of what wholesale / retail is & how silly you have been arguing with yourself? I’d hate to think of you lashing out like this from a dark corner, unable to face it.

Insulting me or anyone else, isn’t going to recover you from that kind of show.

Maybe you have something to say about BT. Even if it’s a complete misunderstanding of their wholesale / retail business….

Maybe remind us how much you love dividends, rather than displaying the cracks in your character.

Errorplane - I’m sorry but you are some kind of whack job?

I find it funny how all the posting police on here don’t see some of your posts as well outside a bit of banter / humour.

Maybe some of your mates might want to point out the bits you don’t understand.

Even your de-humanising attempts are wrong. You don’t know what a Simian is.

Notakin. You may have failed your DEI course.

Surely, if this is a thing for you, diverse views

Even on DEI should be inclusive and treated with equality?

I’m pretty sure DEI isn’t something which includes bullying someone who doesn’t fit your “normal”

Isn’t that in essence DEI ?

Wow, those comments are out now, right across the Atlantic

It’s good for BT to be seen setting a global telecoms agenda

Lil Rod - how do we explain to Terraplane that in a wholesale contract, the connectivity is the product?

& that openreach do indeed provide it for them & they pay the wholesale rate ?

A product, “provided” by OR paid for by a customer.

He doesn’t understand I’m not and never have been talking about a retail customer or as he calls it end user.

Any help for him gratefully received

Get some help terraplane. You are heading towards NDN territory of madness.

Basically you can’t know half of that. I’ve just asked AI if BT openreach supply wholesale products (everyone else knows they do)

Here is the full response. You can start here and then carry on counting how many times you want to show yourself up today

“Yes, BT Openreach does supply wholesale products. Openreach is the infrastructure provider for most of the UK's broadband and telephone services, and they offer access to this infrastructure to other communication providers (CPs) on a wholesale basis. These CPs then use this wholesale access to deliver services to their own customers. “

………. Are you done now or wanna keep going?

Just wanted to add, the new CEO looks very interesting, I think I like her. Bit worried at first but I’m feeling she knows what strings to full and feisty.

A bit of smarts at top of BT might be what’s needed ?

Too right lil Rod, you have them on the run now

Insults & now seems like they are getting a bit emotional.

Who are these sados? But of course you are right we should try to understand, must be tough not being able to read, unable to understand simplest of sentences & so so angry about everything all the time.

I don’t think an intervention. Would work though. Dunning Kruger syndrome is a terrible thing.

I’m very later for lunch, so god bless you lil Rod. In the land of the blind, one eyed man is king.

BTW - I would love to be fly on the wall inside BT board room after that interview with AK. My guess unlike this board there will be two or three opinions being mulled over now.

For now, I hope it’s all about playing to Ofcom, let them think their end goal is available, see what’s in it for BT. If competition does look like it will get its act together, pour cold water on it with a cheaper option by sharing control of the network. That would be my play personally.

There is no doubt lil Rod. He can’t even make up his own pet names, has to steal yours.

So obviously a lil sheepie, no wonder he is easily led, unable to think things through himself.

I guess a man like you attracts this kind of thing all the time? Probably eager to get a piece of your posting success.

In someways, wonder if someone on the BT board has dipped in from time to time & picked up from your wise words?

I mean, sitting here with a fresh breakfast, it’s uncanny the sentiments shared between you and Alison

Just a thought, unless of course you have a direct line in

Nite phatz.

Same advice for you. Better keep your mouth shut and leave people wondering how stupid you are, rather than speak, leaving them in no doubt.

Still having difficulty with reading basics? I said educated guess..

It’s bit different to your quote of me. Maybe you are some kind of experimental artificial unintelligence?. Would have thought they would at least try to make you believable.

Go away and learn some basics like retail or wholesale customers, so you don’t fall apart like a cheap suit.

Abject - obviously agree.

I do wonder whether BT as an employer has policies for this kind of use. Having self-identified as an employee, seems like profanity and abusive nature over and above banter should be avoided.

Who knows?

Nice to give lil Rod a break though. These guys don’t seem to like accurate analysis or educated guesses.

Some don’t seem to read well or understand what is written. It’s very, very odd, I wonder how they get through a day.

Good night. It’s all there for posterity.

Terraplane & phatz

My exact words

Also, openreach do provide broadband and wholesale (in so cases white label) services, I think what you mean is they don’t retail anything.

If I call up for fibre, it’s is likely openreach will provide it unless I choose VM or maybe an alt net

&

“ Communications providers (also called service providers) are the organisations that sell phone, broadband, data and TV services to homes and businesses.”

As in “retail” in my post.

I’m referring to the provision / provide, as in the engineer who connects the fibre (provides) will likely be Openreach.

I separated the two, by using the word “retail” which Openreach don’t do.

It both cases, those words read “ openreach don’t do retail & in both cases both sentences refer to providing a connection. Provided as in deliver something someone needs or wants and does not refer to the term “service providers” which isn’t the classic meaning, but is a regulatory convention used to describe services supplied to a retail customer (which openreach don’t and are not)

So what exactly are you criticising me for?