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tune in to MH yesterday at the IFBF ?

sammy - the whole 'hydrogen economy' thing was done to death in the US 15 years ago. Here is the data presented by Alexander Schonfeldt of Enerox yesterday:-

Round Trip Efficiency

Li-ion : 82-86%
VRFB : 68-75%
P2X/H2 : 22 - 55%

Levelised cost of storage

Li-ion : 6-12 cents
VRFB : 2-8 cents
P2X/H2 : 12-30 cents

Faramog - do you think that those western organisation may not be quite so sceptical once the Dalian battery comes online later this year. ?

faramog - indeed, you really had to hear exactly how Adam spoke about Mikhail and BMN to really appreciate it. AIM investors if they are not paying attention risk completely missing out on what is one of those few genuine Microsoft moments.

bassguy - they are different beasts Vanitec is Vanadium focussed - IFBF is flow batteries but you have to put up with a number of small-time bit players trying to push crazy 'novel' chemistries that they've managed to rig up in the corner of their labs. Having said that today's IFBF session is the first one that I have seen that really gives VRFB's their proper commercial credit.

faramog - I hope you just heard what Kenneth Davies just said in response to Mikhail's points about leased electrolyte

any chance that we could keep it on the subject of Bushveld Minerals and Vanadium Flow Battery technology

amazing wasn't it faramog ?

Bassguy - what do you think of the guy currently talking at the International Flow Battery Forum - he is looking to buy 2 GWh of batteries for driving data centres

Alexander Schonfeldt (Enerox)
Imre Gyuk (US DoE Energy Storage Database)
Matt Harper (Invinity)

and Mikhail all speaking

https://flowbatteryforum.com/showcase-schedule/

- who else listened in to this ?

for the second day running. Nobody here is taken in by that nonsense any more.

We're all too interested in what is going on at the Vanitec and IFBF meetings this week. Looks like there's some good stuff in the works down at Vanitec.

it is proposed as a lithium-ion battery at present.

Maybe that will change.

Mike - the 40%+ relates to the cost of the Vanadium

Gambit - that is the IFBF tuesday right ? Tomorrow is Vanitec, starting at 1pm

thanks for confirming guys - 1pm tomorrow it is then

gambit - the Vanitec meeting starts at 8am Eastern Time (US and Canada) which I believe works out at 2pm BST does it not ?

mentioned at 29:10 as a product for the first time that I've seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V929sVBG890&feature=youtu.be

Pdub - that Crux interview is one of their most watched (>12,000 views) and I think in time will be considered a classic.

Anyone who wishes to see what confidence looks like needs to watch it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p3QUjIL1rJQ&feature=youtu.be#

24:25 "electrolytes are what make batteries, batteries" - exactly

... and Vanadium is what makes a flow battery electrolyte work.