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Funny how someone who has just retired, obviously rich (doesn't need the money) complains so much? Very strange! It takes all types I guess? I wonder if he has a dartboard with a picture of Nick Read on it? He doesn't have a picture of me of course! How a great week all vod shareholders.
Nearly half of VOD shares are held by income funds as far as I can tell. Consistently earning 6% or so is good as long as the sp doesn't decline significantly like it has done in recent years. I'm hoping that the decline is now over and we can get to the 140s. If we do then I don't know whether I'd sell and move on. We could get this continual undulation (most likely - maybe driven by short term traders and algos) , but I also just wonder whether the future prospects might improve after all given the way it has survived the recent market routs.
It would also be good if the message board contributors concentrated on VOD itself. The Lloyds one is simply absurd.
Forgot to say - the slow drip drip down begins :)
Hey Lord of the Vodafone board Daniel - thought I would unfilter seeing as I had so many green posts - I see you still obviously dream about me as you mention me so much - do they let you celebrate birthdays in the nut house - have a good one if they do . Oh they didnt get rid of me - i took retirement on a nice little package - not that I need the money . Seems you still have problems understanding peoples posts if it is anything but positive on Vodafone - oh well - once a board bully always a board bully :)
Evanescent why did you mention the P word had forgotten all about him/her.....
Robina. Nice to hear you being positive for a change(no disrespect) Please try & stay that way? (Difficult at times I know)! All the best.
Thanks Evanescent. You do realise though that you have triggered his automatic," I only do it to annoy danielh response" I find sometimes as with a naughty child it is better to humour them, rather than ignore ? At least though, we, the vod shareholders are no longer paying for him posting his drivel, as vodafone finely got shot of him. Good day today so far, although my Friday prediction is still way off. Good luck. It's my ??th birthday on Sunday, May day, so hoping for a good early present, with a nice finish this week?
danielh....don't waste valuable energy trying to make sense...his purpose is to constantly de-ramp VOD (same as Porsche)....use the filter facility and ignore...works for me.
The fact that the sp is holding up in a fairly vicious global correction should be viewed as a strong positive. Ironic really given the past poor performance is an otherwise upbeat market.
Can anybody on here make any sense of Mikey's latest post? There is no pleasing him? If it goes down he moans, if it goes up he moans! Let's just hope there are no more Mikeys left still working for vodafone?? You could not make this guy up?
Mikeyh68Mouse, living in fantasia land, only a matter of time before they come for him. Good finish on the nas for vod, unless you are so obsessed with anti America & anti vodafone, He is on another planet!! What are they putting in his tea??
What a surprise - America drags us down and then when the ftse closes it makes its move upwards . !!!!
Typo. I meant in the long run, it is driven by the L.S.E.
Hello fleccy. Maybe it's because it isn't something you would normally pay attention to? Very wise fleccy, so probably best ignored then? There is no way in the long run America A.D.R. prices can screw the L.S.E. vod share price. In the long run it is driven the L.S.E. Of course America can influence the L.S.E. but that is the case for non A.D.R. shares as well. But as you said you don't remember seeing such a concentrated drop before, so a one off perhaps. Surely, just constantly blaming the Americans is pretty pointless?
Maybe It's because it isn't something i'd normally pay attention to.
I don't remember seeing such an concentrated drop, driven purely by ADR prices.
"Good old America screwing the shareprice again !!!!"
You're correct, my Vod and Lloyds stock both show a sharp drop, whereas BT has now de-listed in the US and didn't show the same drop.
Good old America screwing the shareprice again !!!!
Well I must confess my Friday prediction smacks of desperation, but at least vod is beating the f.t.s.e. today. Can we end up today?
Nothing is ever written in stone with financial markets - all you can do is look at the balance of probabilities and have a strategy where the balance of probabilities and/or the risk/return are in your favour. The only thing that has been consistently true from the time markets began to date, is that economies keep growing and equity markets go up over the long term. Different sectors/countries will fair better or worse during different market conditions/cylces. Total returns on US markets have been significantly higher than UK markets for the last 13 years, but that hasn't always been the case, and may or may not be the case going forward. Valuations are higher in the US for variety of reasons, but it's mainly due to the US having had higher economic growth during that period so investors are buying on anticipated future profits, and also the perceived 'flight to safety' in buying mega cap stocks denominated in US dollars. If you remove one or both of those factors, then US stocks could take a right beating. The FTSE has much lower valuations as they are bought closer to current profits with not much growth factored in. If the US and UK economies both flatlined, then from a valuation perspective the US should take much more of a beating that the UK, but if sentiment turns in the US, it turns globally so I don't think we'll see the markets going in opposite directions. FTSE has been far more resilient that the US since January, but that's mainly due to the US markets having a much heavier weighting towards tech which has done badly and the FTSE being much more weighted towards energy and basic resources which have done well with soaring commodities prices.
My decision to sell was a personal one based on my own circumstances and I did it last week before the big drops Friday and this morning. That move by no means guarantees me greater success over the longer, but it did lock in a lot of profit that I didn't want to risk losing. I'll still keep adding to funds every month in my pension as I won't be touching any of that money for a while and I know that strategy has the highest probability of being profitable over the longer term, even if it it doesn't have the highest probability of being the most profitable. My trading capital is different story and most of that is in cash now. I'll wait until there's blood on the streets before I deploy too much of that, even if that means waiting a while. They are two very different strategies, but between them other aspects of my situation, it means I'm covered for all eventualities although some will be more profitable for me than others.
I know people like binary answers and some of what I am saying may sound contradictory, and it is, but that's the whole point - none of us know exactly what's going to happen and when. We need to accept that and build that uncertainty into our long term plans.
Anyway, best of luck to all of you - I need to get some work done!
"Markets have to drop around 30% at some point to get back to their long term trend lines."
Compound, I respect your views and I also understand the saying, "when the US sneezes the world catches a cold", but the FTSE hasn't seen the same overvaluations seen within the US markets over the last 10 years.
https://www.google.com/finance/quote/UKX:INDEXFTSE?comparison=INDEXDJX%3A.DJI%2CINDEXSP%3A.INX%2CINDEXNASDAQ%3A.IXIC&window=MAX
It isn't written in stone that the FTSE will follow the US down, and various stocks may benefit from a rotation between markets, sectors and categories of stocks. You could be right, but jumping out now doesn't guarantee success since the FTSE is currently undervalued anyway.
Just be careful out there. Earnings season so far is a bit worrying. 80% of US companies are still beating forecasts, but not by quite as much, and misses are getting punished far more heavily than beats are getting rewarded. That’s a classic sign of the end of a bull run/start of a bear market.
Markets have to drop around 30% at some point to get back to their long term trend lines. I didn’t think that would happen for another year or so, but with inflation showing no immediate signs of slowing down and the Fed getting increasingly hawkish by the day, there’s a good chance that could happen sooner rather later, and whatever happens in the US markets will be replicated over here.
If good earnings reports aren’t pushing the markets up, then the only things that can are a sudden drop in inflation figures or peace in Ukraine, and neither of those look likely over the next few months.
VOD also haven’t delivered any major deals and seem to be running out of options. They might pull a rabbit out of the hat but if they don’t I can see this dropping back to at least 120 next week, and if markets continue to decline it could easily be testing the lows of 2021 or even 2020 again.
Nothing is certain of course, but too many downside risks for me at the moment. I’ve made some good money on VOD and other shares/indexes in the last year but I sold out of nearly everything (including VOD) last week and will wait and see what happens over the next few weeks/months. Nothing looks particularly cheap to me at the moment and I’ll wait until it does.
Sorry if that’s sounds a bit doom and gloom, but that’s just how I see things at the moment. Good luck all whatever your strategy.
Well done mole-man.
I was miles out last week but I'm going to stick with my strategy of being overly optimistic and go for 134p next week.
Way to go Dan hope you win this week need to cash in some profit
Prediction Guesses for 29/04/22
maybe a bit of a bumpy start for this week, so hope we can make it back towards the end
Dan has the highest prediction for this week, so come on Dan we all want you to win
robleo 1.27
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daniel 135.9
FredRubble 123.25
mole_man99 1.25
sotonspike 135.8
csdi 123.6