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Of course there are teething issues, that’s fine and in a free market they’ll resolve themselves, become competitive and win market share
But that’s not what we have, we have a stupid collectivist movement using policy and mandates to push tech onto people who don’t want and/or can’t afford it.
I like weekends away and I like getting into my Range Rover at the hotel on Sunday morning and just driving home. Not looking for a charging point, not worrying if I’ll make it to wherever the next is
Heating pumps are ugly and noisy. Gas is cheap and plentiful and we have hundreds of years of
Our own supply. It is also reliable and doesn’t suffer from intermittency issues
By perhaps trumping all this is the undeniable fact that anything U.K. does to cut its emissions is totally pointless in the bigger picture. It’s economic self harm
1984
Like any new technology there is of course teething issues, the decrease in sales and 2nd hand prices for EVs are the result of many factors but to think this won’t be the main technology for automobiles over the next couple of decades is misplaced.
The market will adapt, EV prices need to come down more, public chargers need to massively reduce their fees and then EVs won’t look back imo.
However, why would anyone who needs to regularly use a public charger , go down that route currently 🤷🏻♂️
I don’t as I charge at home 99% of the time.
Same situation with heat pumps, there aren’t enough engineers who know what they are doing plus they are a bit ugly 🤣
Someone said recently that Donald Trump is what a poor person thinks a rich person is. And Andrew Tate is a 14 year old boys vision of being a man.
It would seem slug shares a lot of views with a lost teenager. Maybe he didn't have a strong male role model growing up, or maybe he's been hurt in life to make him this way. One could almost manage sympathy if he wasn't such an insufferable bore.
Tesla if you’ve done your maths and concluded that green tech is for you that’s absolutely fine, what most people object to is the use of mandates and our own money as subsidy in propping up these choices
If these products were good enough and cheap enough then people would be knocking the door down to buy them. This clearly isn’t the case
Not everyone is in the market for a 90-100k new car but many of those who are don’t care about a minimal cost such as fuelling it. In fact the opposite would be true, those spending that money without subsidy would value the convenience of petrol far more than the price of a charge
Quady a heat pump isn’t for me for the same reason solar panels aren’t, the ROI doesn’t work. You do your calcs on a thirty year assumption. You won’t be here in 30 years!
As for living alone, it’s you married fools who are missing out. Why put up with the same old trout when you can have a variety of younger and better models at your disposal?
Morning Tesla, I kept the calculation on my kit which is over three years old now.
I calculated this using 435 watt panels that have a life of 30 years, with minimum degradation.
This is the current octopus energy offering and a 9.5 KW battery.
Also looked at the selling of excess energy between 4 pm and 7 pm when octopus take your battery down to 20%.
So Slug lives alone in his six bedroom mansion with marble floors and underfloor heating.
Personally I think he's closer to the harry potter cupboard.
Which would explain why a heat pump is not for him, as they can't put them in cupboards.
1984
Everyone has different circumstances and different views. Just like the protestors of the Rwanda policy stand there with placards saying it isn’t the will of the people.
I don’t know anyone who is happy with the way this country deals with the boats. Well not anyone who has paid into the system over the years and has no services to show for it.
However perhaps solar doesn’t work for you but it does for a lot of people.
I’ve had EV’s for 4 years, and wouldn’t go back to petrol/diesel for a variety of reasons.
My last diesel was a Range Rover sport and it was great deal. The Audi e-tron which replaced the Range Rover cost £15k less rrp but cost way way less to run. Probably 50% less taking everything into account incl tax breaks and subsidies.
You need to look at the whole picture and the media skew absolutely everything at the moment.
Running EVs and heating our house is ridiculously cheap……..
Everyone else I know doing the same agrees…….
Slug really didn't need to clarify that he lives alone 🤣
I used three different online calculators. The main parameters seem to be post code and house orientation (ie how much sun do you get)
Then there’s how much power do you use, I live alone
The annual “saving” doesn’t even cover the interest born on a 4% bond for the £12k let alone repay the capital
The only point relevant with SOLG execs at this stage is that for the first time they are all unified and singing from the same hymn sheet. They all want either Cascabel and or the company sold.
Whether the majors wait for Cascabel to be completely derisked or they take the opportunity to buy it substantially cheaper remains to be seen. These short on the stock will say it'll take years, those more bullish will say it'll be soon. Only time will tell who's right.
1984
I have to agree with Quady on the figures.
There is no way solar takes 17 years to achieve breakeven on your investment.
Quady’s 7 years is extremely conservative, with the recent spike in energy prices it would be 3-4 years.
The media love the negativity about electrification, no doubt funded by great marketing budget from the Saudis who want to keep their fossil fuel bonanza going as long as possible, but even they know the writing is on the wall.
Anyone who puts solar/batteries in will increase the size of their systems because currently it’s a no brainer in terms of return……
Ok slug I have done the maths.
Your payback on solar is 7.5 years, with 22.5 years of free power.
I need a good laugh, please show us how you came out with your ridiculous payback period.
By the way you state a 4% bond but don't show the working for the cost of your electric on a month by month basis, not do you show inflation of power, have you included 22.5 years of free power.
These figures are conservative.
I know this because I am achieving this and the technology is better today.
You will get your opportunity to laugh in my face. Only its not going to be as you hope for. Sooner than you think.
You really are a prize 2wat tiny now please do one as clearly you don’t even know what it stands for 🤷♂️
2nd Jan won’t come quick enough for me to laugh in the face of such an evil troll 😂😂😂 but in the meantime I’m sure they’ll be getting busy posting rubbish here every day because it is predictable, boring, sanctimonious and most of all a complete square 💋
Think before you post idiot. You give your true nature away.
Parents should be fearful of having their children around grown adults who go around calling people nonces on an anonymous board.. red flag imo..
I don't need to get you banned why do you call posters nonces ? - are you projecting? Is there any valid reason for it? Its prison slang have you been to prison novice?
Blimey someone’s desperate for attention and is clearly hurting today 😉
See you 2nd Jan on the “other” side tiny 💋
Stop reading my posts or get me banned if you don’t like it ! otherwise tough t1tties ( . ) ( . )
Novice's post this morning.
"have a good day all and stay away for the sake of these nonces..."
"nonce in British English
(nɒns ) noun. derogatory, prison slang. a rapist or child molester; a sexual offender. "
Was anyone discussing children novice? Do you personally know anyone on the boards?
Why on earth are you calling posters you don't know nonces? Do you see how odd this is that you think of these things?
You're broke for a reason skint...
Leave the kids alone...
Quady I gave you the solution
£12k invested in solar panels I will get my £12k back I 17 years
£12k invested in a 4% bond I’ve got my £12k back and another £8k profit
This is exactly why it doesn’t make any sense. The argument is the same for those wretched electric cars. Enormous list price, “cheap” fuel (often made by burning gas and oil) and horrific residuals
When you look at the whole story not just the woke headline, it never adds up
LOL WoodyB,
There's more than just 1984 that has got that spanner worked out !
And it's not just the vocal ones.
We’ll try turned out to be a good day on the quady and 1984 Channel 😉
Feeling a life changing RNS coming tomorrow guys
55p someday soon !!!
Slug’s got you worked out though Quady you spaniel
Slug you say you have a degree in mathematics.
But cannot work out a simple solar solution.
What rubbish.
I ran it for my house and it came out at 17 years. That is with not investing the £12,000 initial outlay into something like a bond. When you do a comparison like that (ie a real world one), the numbers look shocking (clue, a 4% bond would return you 8k on your initial 12 over that 17 years you’re paying the solar cost back)
Heat pumps haven’t sold because nobody wants to upend their entire heating system and spend thousands if not tens of thousands of their own dash for something inferior that doesn’t get as hot
They’d sell like hot cakes if they were financially viable, as would EVs
But they’re not so people don’t want them! Simple supply and demand really, even a bird brain like you could understand it if you allowed yourself to