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Hey Broom - absolutely agree - I certainly wouldn't be buying here, it's more about when I exit!
Matt - good call but you’re a braver man than me on this one. I still want some clarity on bond before buying
Matt, You are more than welcome. Like you said it is all about sharing views, thoughts and suggestions on particular shares and strategies and that I hope I did. May your gains always exceed your losses. Good fortune. Rgds, S
Thanks Saint - I think that's good advice, and defo what I'd be doing if this was a larger holding, but its only a few grand so probably not worth holding a small rump. Thanks though :-)
Matt, Well done on your timing. It really makes it all worthwhile when we make a decent return, well I know it does for me. Now it is all down to what you are going to do next - as you say you never planned to be a long term holder why not consider selling your original stake plus 50 or 75% of your profits. That way you can let the free money ride and either way you are still a winner as the share may go up yet further and you will still continue to receive the future dividends and all at no cost to yourself. Continued good fortune and good luck with whatever decision you make. Remember a profit is only a profit on paper until you finally sell. Rgds, S
Not sure I understand your post Scandi. I am simply pointing out that I bought it at 13p in March (as evidenced by my post back on 12 March) on the basis that the stock price had completely dislocated from reality due to an awful RNS from the Company. I was lucky to have hit it fairly near the bottom, and now am considering what level I exit - I never planned to a be a long-term holder here. I thought that a Board like this was specifically designed to discuss a stock's share price and when to buy and sell, so not quite sure what your problem is here?
Very strange timing for the sale.They have watched the share price slide for a couple of years.Majik are very shrewd operators.They could not sell if they had received inside information on any potential share issue.Declining to receive information is a common practice- but,by inference,can convey something is going on.It would be normal to consult your largest shareholder if a rights issue is being planned.They may be selling because they anticipate a further dilutive share issue and want to reinvest the cash back in RGL.Or they may just not see the prospects for the shares improving in a realistic timeframe.No doubt it will soon be obvious.
I think as a non uk entity you have to disclose within 4 day's or as a UK entity within 2 days under FCA rules. Like you say interesting to see the share price holding up while this level of selling so I assume a deal was done with another interested party.
RNS indicates that Majik's holding is now 4.71%, whereas it was 9.13% back in September 2021. Whilst that's not a ringing endorsement of the company (!), it's surprising that the share price seems to have held up well during the selling (unless the bulk of the selling pre-dated the recent small bounce). More Majik selling to come or will they be content at this level?
Frankly, the probability that you hit the all time low for investing in this dog we all own and now have some fantasy idea of a level where you would reduce risk, is simply laughable.
Not impossible, but extremely unlikely.
...since I invested back on 12 March. Stock still looks cheap, but is no longer the absolute no-brainer it was back then. Might wait till it hits 25p before reducing........ :-)
If REIT shares are held via a pension or ISA account then PIDs are paid gross. If held directly or in a taxable dealing account then they have 20% tax deducted - only the PID element, though, any ordinary dividend element is paid without deduction of tax.
No, I got 1.2p per share.
It seems the 1.20p is taxable of 20% tax
So 100,000 shares instead of £1,200 you get £960 yes £240 is discounted as tax
Usually, when they announce the dividend other companies are already taxed.
PG73, it is refreshing for an old-fashioned chap to read a post which does not contain extreme language surrounding the certainty of the imminent demise of RGL. Do you remember the embarrassing exchange here on whether RGL could continue as a going concern? There is no realistic likelihood of any such catastrophe. There are certain short term challenges to be dealt with. In particular, the retail bond situation needs to be addressed. It needs to be clearly understood that RGL is not looking for new money but replacement of existing financing. This can be readily achieved in a number of ways. The worst outcome here is a higher interest rate for the entire £50 million. Clearly, this would be regrettable (implying a small reduction in income available for dividends) but far from catastrophic. One should not forget that as at the year end 2023, there was £30.2 million unrestricted cash.
Concerning the LTV target of 40%, this is only a target. Nothing happens if this is exceeded. Loan covenant LTVs are more consequential, in particular the Santander financing where there is the real possibility of breaching the 50% LTV limit when the limit is reduced to this level in June. However, there is no significant likelihood of draconian action by any lender, providing the business continues to generate significant cash to make interest payments.
HG - you're old-fashioned! However, I totally agree that the leasing news is very encouraging. In normal circumstances, I don't think this would be worthy of an RNS as it's more 'business as usual'. Unfortunately, in the unusual situation RGL is in with so many concerns (some real, some mischievous) it might be considered as potentially price sensitive and therefore subject to RNS.
I think the Martley stake is the big news (great find Chris). I also love the quote from their CEO back in January - when asked about opportunities on the public market, he stated "There are companies that look just absurdly cheap, particularly those that are externally managed that, usually unfairly, are just hated by the market." I think the stake he subsequently built in RGL shows exactly what he thinks of the valuation. Sometimes it's good to be old-fashioned!
Call me old-fashioned, but I consider the RNS to be very encouraging (leasing of additional 30,000 sq ft, even if it is in Glasgow?). I do not share the view that RGL property values are over-stated (what evidence is there of this?), nor do I consider that RGL is a desperate seller.
Does look slightly desperate to be issuing a RNS just about taking on tenancies of one building in Glasgow.
More BS. I suppose letting in line with latest estimated value is a good result for these boys.Portfolio value still overstated for a desperate seller imho.
Thanks Chris.
Yep. Martley are probably either looking to provide finance, or to take over the management of RGL themselves. But whatever happens will be dilutive to shareholders in one way or another: higher interest payments on alternative finance means less cash available for the dividend.
For each 1% interest above the current coupon on the bond, £500k less cash is available to pay the dividend. Assuming a rather generous 8% interest rate, that's a 7% reduction on the current dividend (on an annual payout of 4.8p). 10% interest is an 11% reduction. etc.
June - yes 'June' - is getting closer.
Martley are yet another small- time team of chancers trying to make a name for themselves.Not a lot different from the current team,but without the backing of ARA.Like the rest of the world they could probably run RGL better than the current load of muppets.Or looking to elbow into a fee- earning role.Its an obvious asset- strip for a well- funded client.
Chris, Thanks for taking the time to post that link to Martley. Makes very good reading. Rgds, S
Thanks for this'
"The building of a stake by Martley, the company says, is a reflection of its belief in the long-term strength of the regional office market and that an increased desire by employees to work near home will reduce the level of long-distance commuting". That's my perspective too even though it may be reflected in more working from bed(read home)...
They seem to think they have a better refinancing plan. We will see.