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Could this be the start of negotiations? https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-news-live-kyiv-attack-murderous-cowardice-ambassador-says-johnson-mocks-putins-pecs-at-g7-summit-12541713?postid=4080603#liveblog-body
This comes as little surprise. I imagine the G7 leaders have told Zelensky:
1. India which was used a a buffer for wheat supplies has banned exports to sway off starvation within its own country but contributes now to the potential famine that awaits other impoverished regions around the world
2. As autumn and winter approaches, gas supply will be needed for Europe and those G7 members will find themselves voted out of office and administration if they fail their people access to energy for basic heating
i think zelensky knows that as we start getting into winter with more fuel and food hikes - he will start losing support in the west.
any eu country dependent on russian gas etc will be very vulnerable
fingers crossed peace soon
Absolute delusion. You actually think G7, the west, nato or anybody is coercing Zelinskie in any way shape or form. You still have absolute delusions the Putin's war will be concluded with objectives met and Ukraine will be obliged what you expected from the start and just roll over and throw flowers at the feet of Russian soldiers as they enter Kyiv in dress uniforms?
You people are absolutely off your ferkin faces still thinking this is all somehow Ukraines fault and it is down to Ukraine to fix it all.
The position of the west is absolute. Russia must nowin, at all. Russia must not gain any territory. It is the most fundamental absolutism and stated publicly by all the west leaders all over the planet. The precise path to ensuring that is going to zig zag to try and avoid outright war with Russia. But anybody reading between the lines can see clearly, the sanction route and Ukraine resistance is simply to by time ready for the all out war with a hope something will snap on the Russian side and the all out war be avoided.
Be under no doubt, Russia crossed the red line with Ukraine and if Russia does not capitulate against Ukraine and sanctions, Russia will ultimately be invaded and placed under foreign administration as the only solution to stop the persistent war mongering. China knows it too which is why it is not giving military assistance to Russia despite Russian appeals.
My suspicion is they will have a tactical ceasefire over the winter to save the EU grannies and resume in the spring, with larger stock piles of weapons and better trained soldiers.
@ big-blue, Russia will ultimately be invaded and placed under foreign administration.
Yes could well happen but if it did Russia and most of Europe would be a waste land.
For you it is a case of Russia is the bad guy and must not gain anything from this war even if it means the end of Europe.
With Russia destroyed and most of Europe a waste land you see this as a victory?
Sadly im sure you do.
Its getting to the stage now where i welcome all out nuclear war and death so i can be spared your constant war tactics dribble.
Stick to the Risk board game big-blue you utter p*ick.
Putin's stated objectives before his invasion were to make the three eastern regions "independant republics". Probably more realistic to call them Russian puppet states if he achieves that aim. Has *he* changed this stated objective?
In the beginning Putin clearly sent troops direction Kiev as part of the battle to control the Eastern states. AFAIK it's only western media propaganda that has said Kiev was his target.
I think the delusion is to think Putin will not achieve HIS objective. I think former-comic-Zelensky is making a military strategic mess whilst he dresses up in fatigues and directs killing of young men from the relative safety of Kiev, sending them into areas they are encircled etc.
Delusion is thinking that the West/NATO are going to start a war with Russia. Exchange of nuclear bombs and/or WW3 would be the result. I suspect the West will allow Ukraine to join NATO once Russia has removed their control/possession on the ground of the eastern states. The problem for NATO is doing that in a way that UKR is not immediately allowed to claim they are invaded due to occupation of Crimea+3states whilst the West is able to maintain that they don't recognise that UKR has not lost soverignty of that territory. The West may for that reason alone choose to delay allowing rump UKR into NATO. That itself will probably result in a further Russian invasion some years later.
GI Jane so the best troops in Russia were sent to their deaths in Hostomel for a ruse? They would have be better used elsewhere I would have thought. As for Ukraine joining NATO, highly unlikely with the border issues.
Denazification, well there are plenty all over the planet including Russia.
Let’s just accept its a land grab as it simplifies the situation. New Himars, artillery and anti missile batteries ever if in small numbers will start to pick off targets in the same way the NLAW and javelin did for tanks and combat fighting vehicles. Who knows how it will pan out.
Zelensky was happy to broker and impliment Minsk2.....he then recieved death threats from the UKR far right...so changed his tune....Russia will achieve their objectives and the West will continue to promote the war to prevent Russ becoming a threat to the West in the future and make plenty of money/acquire plenty of assets in the meanwhile.
But they'll lose most of it in backfired sanctions....but that mainly effects the Western Populate and not the elite powers that be....so another objective achieved.
A peacedeal will only be brokered when each side has lost too many soldiers to meaningfully continue...i.e. when a stalemate occurs. UKR will be a failed state and destroyed in the East/South East....and a lot of the west of UKR will in effect be under Polish rule....this is the way it will be.....the war is in the middle stages and could go either way.....nobody really knows......but the outcome will be as I say...regardless!
if Poly keeps it's debt under control....should bounce back well....but volatility could still pressure our market cap in the short to medium term...I wish to top up and may pay dearer when I am more comfortable...but I'm not yet!
And if it’s such a failed basket case, why would Poland want any part of it?
You may have a surprise ****rupcy
Big-Blue... you just get a "lol" from me. Maybe you can clarify Zelenskys extensive political career for us? At the risk of sounding pro-russian which I am not, zelensky is indeed a puppet of the west.
The tone at the G7 summit was most certainly not the rhetoric previously spouted..the winds have changed, and Germany don't want a cold winter.
It's time to dismount the high horse.
UKR as UKR is a failed state....Poland is already involved in standing for elections...Remember historic tribal borders...and how being carved up does not suit every body especially your next door neighbours...the same problem exists in the east of UKR obviosly...read up a bit on history..may change your opinion..chippyjo
https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/The-Nazi-occupation-of-Soviet-Ukraine
And out come the nukes!
Putin may have raised eyebrows when he first threatened nukes at the start and that may have caught the west of guard. But continuing to claim war with Russia automatically implies a nuclear conflict does not hold any sway anymore. If it is going nuclear, Russia will not take part in the future of the human race. There will still be a USA, a UK and an EU. And judging from the Russian tactic of bomb everything to dust, there will most likely be a lot less damage from Russian nukes than conventional, if any of the Russian nukes actually work of course.
Bring it on!
Sod it let go back to the British empire or the Romans…
Poland won’t go on a land grab. The EU and US will fund the rebuild and it’ll have more border defences than Washington DC.
As for the gas being cut off for the winter, well not ideal but clean energy will be the victor of that and European gas market will not be the cash cow for the next 25 years that it could have been.
And for what, the people of Donbas? No, smoke and mirrors as usual.
Warsaw has historic territorial claims in western Ukraine. Many Polish cities after the Second World War became part of the then Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, including Lviv, which is today a major point of military and geostrategic importance. In these regions, it is possible to speak Polish or Ukrainian with "Polishisms", the Roman Catholic faith is practiced and there is a strong ethnic presence of Poles.
In recent years, due to the stability of relations between NATO (of which Poland is a member) and Kiev, the matter concerning historically Polish territories has practically been "forgotten" by geopolitical experts. But, in the same sense, it is absolutely reasonable to think that, in the midst of conflicts and tensions, Poland with the support of NATO wants to retake these territories, which would have great geostrategic value for the western alliance.
It is also necessary to mention that, interestingly, the western media has avoided commenting on the case, even though it is a serious issue and with a strong possibility of escalation in the Ukrainian conflict. Apparently, for the mainstream media, it is forbidden to talk about “attempts to balkanize Ukraine” when the player involved is a NATO member.
Utter ball****s, Poland isn’t going anywhere near Ukraine territory. Smoke and mirrors by the bot farm maniacs
You are plain delusional blue.
We have a lot of dreamers here thinking we can
destroy and turn Russia into wasteland without any consequences to the west. This is the problem with some members posting here.if it were that easy we would have gone in 5 months ago and taken the initiative.Some folk really need to take a step back and think before they post
@ big-blue, you talk about nuclear war and sign off with bring it on.
The world has a history of some real nut cases causing suffering and death to millions.
They had the power to inflict this suffering on the world and i thank God you have no power except in your tiny mind or the suffering you would inflict on the world would dwarf everything in history.
If that was pointed at me Roxy, I preferred Russia making money and integrated with the world, not saddling up with the likes of North Korea and invading neighbours. I’m not a big fan of the US and it’s foreign policy either if truth be told…
"China knows it too which is why it is not giving military assistance to Russia despite Russian appeals."
The sanctions currently on Russia at the moment..would destroy China. That is why they have looked at the situation and try to walk the tight rope having previously aligned themselves with Russia. China is much more dependent on global trade than Russia. It will prob give Taiwan breathing space for a few years yet.
There is no way Russia will be invaded...that would be nukes and world war 3. Whilst the west are stronger there would be no real victory only destruction.
I don't believe ukr can beat Russia...just a question of how much coast they can recover
@ big-blue,
You care nothing about Ukraine or the people of Ukraine.
If you got your wish for all out war then the Ukrainian people would suffer a thousand times more that they are now.
Your time has passed big-blue.
Your time was 1916 and a British general in a bunker safely miles from the front line in WW1.
In your bunker you play on your mock up battlefields with toy soldiers planning the charging of the German machinegun posts.
After each mock up battle you just sweep all your dead toy soldiers from your model of the battlefield with a dustpan and brush, open a few more packets of toy soldiers and go again and again and again.
bankrupt copying and pasting the false flag scenario being put out by the kremlin to engage Belarus against Poland. Bring it on, any excuse to kick this all out war off and annihilate Russia. Russia is a pain in the ass and needs to be completely deleted now.
You can try all you like, you can pretend all you ant. The days of fooling everybody into believing Russia was untouchable are long gone. And your recent ar has exposed your military to be a circus of clowns. Definitely there will be some random damage to the west, but the choice is decades more of war as Russia continues with its empire building, or cut them out now. Just like the Polish false flag talk, all that does is rove it will just never end.
Start the war, the west can absorb a few nukes if Russia is stupid enough to go that way. There have been many wars since Hiroshima with nuclear powers engaged and every time the weapons have been locked up. If Russia is so stupid as to use nukes, then so be it and total annihilation of Russia and its people will follow. The rest of the world will rebuild and over time reconstruct the technology it has now. But there will be no Russia.
We aren't afraid of you, you have nothing over us. Get a grip on reality! You wanna go nuke, do it!
https://nypost.com/2022/06/27/russian-missiles-strike-crowned-ukrainian-mall/
Straightforward basic terrorist attack.
We should declare war on Russia immediately and commence shock and awe on Moscow with a 72 hour non stop bombardment.
After, let's see how quick Russia is to bomb another shopping center.