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Not much more from me now, til we hear timetable, and I expect a new bid to happened maybe 3 to 6 weeks from today
Fingers crossed
This means more chance that 620 p according to exchange rate in next 3/4 months could be maintained...ie strong dollar
Powell will annouce today
Thanks Win,
This time cautiously optimistic...that a better offer somehow can happen
In fact, may I say, any of you who believe a higher bid very unlikely then why not sell out now and invest in a better share/shares and not waste months on Dark?
Its in my interest all retail sell out now, ie those who might vote yes to the current offer, so higher chance to block current bid and get higher offer
You've been known for your overly enthusiastic remarks in the past, CR888. But this time, you're spot-on, even though it might not come to fruition!
I hope you're right!
The Times says “hold”
The final price depends on usd / pound exchange rate , and whether 75 per cent or more vote yes ! And also whether another offer comes in , for now we can only see one offer , but as they say ., one week in in Politics is a long time ! One month in the stock market gives other buyers time to make offer
Think about it , if say Microsoft were interested to offer , when would it happen … it might take say 3 weeks at least to get internal approvals to make an offer so we are talking about end of May or early June for other bids to come ( if at all )
The reason volume is low is not that investors are waiting for 16 p more , it’s because investors believe still a chance for f higher final price with more bids ??
The selling should slow and the SP should rise ,(nearer to 620p), as we get nearer the closing of the deal. With the cash offer ,i can see the deal closing in the third quarter, probably August. I cant see another buyer coming in. Im holding until i see an opportunity elsewhere.
Even The Times says @Hold@
Today Volume just over 1 million shares so far, people are not selling much?
darktrace deal isn’t perfect but it seems sensible
(the times)
traders and investors have mourned darktrace’s take-private deal as a loss for london’s stock market as yet another technology company flees into the arms of an american private equity firm. this is certainly a change in tune, given that the market hasn’t been particularly forgiving towards the technology company during its short life on the london stock exchange.
darktrace, which specialises in artificial intelligence-powered cybersecurity and which counts the likes of kpmg and rolls-royce among its clients, was listed in 2021 amid a frenzy for new technology businesses. its shares jumped as high as 946p that year, but hit a nadir of 239p in early 2023.
thoma bravo’s offer of $7.75 per share, equivalent to 620p, places it at a 20 per cent premium to its closing price on april 25 and a 44 per cent premium to its volume-weighted average in the three months leading up to the offer.
frankly, shareholders are better off getting this investment out of london. the stock market is — rightly or not — spooked by darktrace’s connection to mike lynch, one of its early backers who is facing fraud charges in the united states over the sale of his autonomy software company to hewlett-packard. he denies all charges, but analysts continue to believe that his legacy is one of the main reasons darktrace trades at such a wide discount to its american peers.
the lynch case has stalked darktrace. its executive team includes several former autonomy staff, including poppy gustafsson, its boss, who worked in autonomy’s finance department from 2009 to 2011. it will not be lost on investors that the takeover would be beneficial for lynch, who together with his wife owns just under 7 per cent of the company, worth £290 million under the terms of the deal.
the shadow of lynch’s legacy has drawn the attention of several short-sellers over the past three years, not least from the shadowfall and *****essential capital management hedge funds. the latter’s questions about the accuracy of darktrace’s financial statements prompted the company to hire an independent auditor last year. ey gave it the all-clear, but reputational damage can be hard to shake off.
so long-term shareholders may agree that the london stock market is not the best home for darktrace. the real question then is: how opportunistic is thoma bravo’s offer?
a 20 per cent premium is decent and nothing to balk at, certainly not when in comparison with some of thoma bravo’s previous takeovers. when it bought sophos, the london-listed cybersecurity business, in 2020, it did so at a 37 per cent premium. it paid a 48 per cent premium for sailpoint, the american identity security company, in 2022, bought proofpoint, a cybersecurity and compliance player, at a 36 per cent premium in 2021 and mcafee for a 22 per cent premium, also in 2021.
that being said, darktrace was at such a wide discount to its american peers that e
Yes not done deal yet for sure
Last year I was too confident of a deal , this year cautiously optimistic that a better deal than the one on the table can happen , but not betting my "shirt" on it !
Honestly 620 p is daylight robbery, surely Microsoft or someone will come riding in with the Cavalry ?
Yes not done deal yet for sure
Last year I was too confident of a deal , this year cautiously optimistic that a better deal than the one on the table can happen , but not betting my short on it !
Yeah I don't think everyone has noticed the RNS said "recommended"
Doesn't mean a done deal by any means
I agree with you all including Sheltie - there is no other bid yet
Give. Last year the deal never happening the big difference this year is Dark has been advertised for sale and a firm offer is on table
I believe TB might pay more if needed
Fully agree Jeffriesc and other I banks not yet go another bidder , and if am only cautiously optimistic 69 % another bidder will come
It’s an interesting point that 75 per cent needed to pass , there is a chance it will not pass the vote and TB will raise
Ubs are assuming no counter bid
They get paid the big bucks for that kind of insight 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
UBS raises Darktrace price target to 620 (470) pence - 'neutral'
Oh well done 👏
...obviously the risk with that strategy is that TB don't raise and simply walk away. The SP then drops like a stone.
Decisions decisions.
I now agree Sheltie - Alea iacta est (Julius Caesar). The die is cast. I wanted to hang on just to say “no”. Stupid!
It has been - well all emotions involved for some. Best wishes to all contributors in your future investing. Signing out.
I'm keeping a few.
Not necessarily expecting a counter bid, more likely that they won't get 75% acceptance and TB will need to raise their offer.
100% precisely what I wrote here yesterday. The share price movement (or lack of, to be precise) says it all. There won't be another bid, so move your money on and get it working for you again.
And a UK perspective from an extract in the Times:
“Sometimes you can’t keep a good story down. Take Darktrace selling up to Thoma Bravo for £4.3 billion cash. Here, apparently, is the latest proof of London’s sinking stock exchange, unable to value anything, least of all tech companies. “A hammer blow for the UK market,” was how Peel Hunt’s research chief Charles Hall put it.
Really? Whatever its wider problems, hasn’t the market worked pretty well in Darktrace’s case? It takes two views to make a market. And here’s the view on the Bravo deal of the ex-head of a different stockbroker: “A get out of jail free card for London.” Indeed, since 2021’s float at 250p a share, where the cybersecurity outfit raised £165 million, it’s yo-yo’d between such opposing opinions. Yet three years on Darktrace is still being acquired at 620p. If the UK market routinely delivered that sort of result, investors would be queuing up.
Of course, the Darktrace board, chaired by Gordon Hurst, did its bit to play up to the narrative, arguing that its “operating and financial achievements have not been reflected” in the shares, what with them “trading at a significant discount to its global peer group”. But what exactly did it expect? However powerful Darktrace’s AI algorithms, they’re yet to find a way to neutralise Mike Lynch: its founder investor on trial for fraud in America after 2011’s $11.7 billion sale of Autonomy to Hewlett-Packard.”
They also mention that the current price is not signalling a competitive bid is on the cards.
Only 4 million shares after some 30 million on Friday
So most people are Holding out for Higher Bid....a Higher bid may or may not happen ...Jeffries and others likely might be looking out
Alphawave has been a disaster so far. Rises on hope/hype then crashes on results. It's a good area to be in and looks promising on paper but management is incompetent.
Some big buys coming in... Probably sells also...
9m UT
In a nutshell, from over there:
https://www.informationweek.com/cyber-resilience/thoma-bravo-s-5b-darktrace-bet-highlights-cyber-s-ai-excitement#close-modal
May be they are licking there wounds and hoping it falls so they can get some of their money back