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"The strongest evidence is stacked in favour of a successful outcome here."
As a shareholder (yes, shareholder), based on the latest raft of updates going back many many months, I think that comment is slightly wide of the mark... what evidence? The only evidence is based on the website updates, there's not been any verifiable external evidence, has there?
The strongest evidence as ever with ABH is again somewhat lacking. & the evidence, the available body of facts, is then what ?
So okay, you are suggesting those previous consultancies inclusive of the latest, SB Corporate Finance Partners Ltd, are then deemed sufficient evidence of entrepreneurial achievement ?
With brother Shlomo being a Tier 1 status entrepreneur, an A-lister in the business world, as evidenced by his Wiki bio :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shlomo_Ben-Haim
& its single reference to their joint collaboration on Bio-Sense, which is now deleted from Amit’s only available bio, better summarised as an entrepreneurial Tier non-existent, as per cloudtag.com
A bio nonetheless that can be found on company check where it shows 8 resigned directorship's (many in partnership with Sabine Ben-Haim) & of 5 dissolved directorships.
The only pertinent evidence then being that less than gratifying reference to Amit on Shlomo’s wiki bio.
‘Alleged single collaboration with his brother’?
Wow - you just hit a new denier-low - he’s part created, owned and sold companies on multiple previous occasions.
The strongest evidence is stacked in favour of a successful outcome here.
"Oh wise one - please can you shed some light on why the counter argument is stronger than the argument that a payment will occur based upon the written evidence on the Cloudtag website?"
Sorry to interject, but should there be another update later this week stating yet more delays to notification/payments after yet another two-week pushback, then I think shareholders (plus interested commentators) have every reason to question the validity of all the previous updates and communications by Amit/Cloudtag (the website). It's wearing a bit thin the old 'share certificates anomalies', wouldn't you say? Probably not!
The counter argument is flawless in its rationale, it simply takes into account ; the website statements & Amit’s past record.
More specifically, the 100% total lack of any verifiable substantiation supportive to the validity of any of the claims made on the website statements in addition to the 100% total lack of accomplishment for any website statement that is then centred on proposed actions &/or their targeted dates.
More specifically, Amit’s past record as a proven bad actor, as highlighted by the Judge & as shown by the FCA approved NOMAD’s refusal to allow him a continued UK market listing.
In addition to Amit’s hazy past record which now sees any reference to his alleged previous single successful enterprise done in collaboration with Shlomo, now being deleted from his bio.
Oh wise one - please can you shed some light on why the counter argument is stronger than the argument that a payment will occur based upon the written evidence on the Cloudtag website?
Presumably you’ll go onto cite a number of missed deadlines and the fact ‘that it hasn’t happened yet’ as the primary drivers.
I would argue that the website statements + amit’s past record in major company sales form a stronger argument overall.
A negative cannot be proven in empirical contexts. This from Wikipedia, which puts it rather more succinctly than I could:-
"In formal logic and mathematics, the negation of a proposition can be proven using procedures such as modus tollens and reductio ad absurdum.
In empirical contexts (such as the evaluating the existence or nonexistence of unicorns), inductive reasoning is often used for establishing the plausibility of a claim based on observed evidence. Though inductive reasoning may not provide absolute certainty about negative claims, this is only due to the nature of inductive reasoning; inductive reasoning provides proof from probability rather than certainty. Inductive reasoning also does not provide absolute certainty about positive claims."
The only evidence to support a positive outcome can be boiled down very simply to "Because Amit said so"... and the plausibility of this is not supportable by any inductive reasoning. Therefore, back to David Icke and the Windsor multi-dimensional lizards, I'm afraid.
HITS…
"...a logical impossibility to prove a negative..."
The probability of an occurrence is the chance that it will happen…
Probability = total number of outcomesnumber of desired outcomes… Of which the only measurable instrument shareholders have are the number of recent updates concurrent to a pending outcome.
Hypothesis = A hypothesis is an assumption, an idea that is proposed for the sake of argument so that it can be tested to see if it might be true…
There isn’t anyway to verifiy, prove or disprove.
So why the hell is Amit still dishing out updates… ?
Over the years he’s accumulated a fair few millions of shareholders hard earned… certainly more than enough to keep him in the life of luxury of a good few good bottles of Bordeaux, also a few boxes of Cuban cigars (going by twitter) to kill himself off with cirrhosis of the liver, also CPOD…
Nevertheless … paying agents have the $50m ready to payout shareholders. According to the most recent updates.
Why can’t you see this isn’t about arguing black is white, or trying to prove anything HITS…
There simply isn’t anywhere else to go… we’re at the end of the line…
A negative can be proven as logicians and philosophers will happily point out.
"...a logical impossibility to prove a negative..."
Again Whispering, you're totally relying upon the fact that it is a logical impossibility of proving a negative.
Although in very strict and ring-fenced logic terms that may be a tenable position, when it comes to adopting a reasoned and/or reasonable view on Cloudtag, it simply does not stack up.
A reductio and absurdum may assist in making the point. I cannot disprove the assertion from the likes of David Icke that the British Royal Family is in fact a cadre of multi-dimensional lizard people intent upon world domination. However, the fact that I cannot disprove this does not make it true - irrelevant of how often or how stridently said assertion may be made.
Not really 1984, many don’t allow it to be an impediment
Dyslexia is an excuse for bad standards just as ADHD is an excuse for bad behaviour.
HITS , sorry for the late reply…
“For the record and having long been a fan of devil's advocacy as a significantly enlightening tool, my POV is that opinions of others - and especially counter-opinions - are potentially the most useful opinions of all...
… BUT ONLY if backed up by a) reason and b) evidential justification. Otherwise they're just facile contradictory noise and don't represent "balance" in even the slightest way. “
The fact of the matter is shareholders have received updates which suggest the status quo of the company (I’ve said this previously) whilst at the same time also states the company remains under a strict non disclosure agreement.
The controversial opposing opinion of quite a few is that the company is a fraud. Now, I have seen no evidence or verification to prove either, and whilst absolutely taking on board the regularly spouted disgruntled opinions of others - (including totally a unnecessary tantrum, of self ‘pitying’ untruths, by a n other who regularly likes to dish it out to others in the manner of snide, rude and belittling rhetoric, whilst belligerently breaking LSE rules. Perhaps some folks think dyslexia represents a lack of intellect? Auto-correct and spell check are a god send… paragraphs come much easier).
So with this in mind, for reasons (I’ve also explained previously) given that I’m ‘hoping’ that there is at least some integrity - I’ll stick with the company updates on the website from the CEO - whose duty it is to keep shareholders updated. Whilst ‘it regrets previously providing information on timescales in good faith that have not transpired’.
“a) reason and b) evidential justification.”?
Whilst I had no qualms in respect - that many have made reports to the SFO also Action Fraud… as of yet no one has reported of any investigation/feedback?
To me, there is no clear evidence of any fraud committed … Or on balance, that shareholders have been contacted by the paying agents... well, that is, I haven’t.
For clarity I am pro my investment. Though prepared to write it off if a conclusion, or clear explanation of delays aren’t forthcoming in the near term… because quite frankly, I’m sick to the back teeth of it all.
I respect the opinion of those whereby writing this off isn’t an option.
I hope this goes some way to setting the record straight, within a logical manner
Enjoy your weekend y’all :)
If you morons carry on boring me with your wibble wobble dribble I’ll post the other million updates.
Bore off 👏👍
That’s just this years🤣🤣🤣
Have a good Bank Holiday weekend folks🤣🤣🤣
Further Licence Payment Update
26th April 2024
26th April 2024
Further to the update of 17th April, the anomalies relate to paper share certificates issued by the Company in 2018 and very early 2019. The matter is largely resolved and once the Paying Agent has concluded its work, notifications will commence.
The Company remains under strict non-disclosure agreements. All further updates will be published on www.cloudtag.com.
Licence Payment Update
17th April 2024
17th April 2024
Further to the update of 10th April, shareholders are reminded that those with paper certificates issued by the Company will be notified as soon as possible.
The Paying Agent is continuing its work to resolve some final remaining anomalies with the share capital book, which it expects to do in a timely manner, before it commences all notifications including to brokers.
The DaaP payment process will begin once the licencing payment process is complete, about which a further update will follow in due course.
The Company remains under strict non-disclosure agreements. It will not comment on social media speculation or misinformation. It regrets previously providing information on timescales in good faith that have not transpired. All further updates will be published on www.cloudtag.com
Update
10th April 2024
10th April 2024
The Paying Agent is now in receipt of the licensing funds. Those Shareholders holding paper certificates issued by the Company shall be notified accordingly.
The Company remains under strict non-disclosure agreements. All further updates will be published on www.cloudtag.com
Corporate Share Action update
4th April 2024
4th April 2024
The Company acknowledges receipt of emails from those Shareholders holding paper share certificates issued by the Company.
The Company is processing all the enquiries received to date and is working alongside the paying agent who shall action all emails directly.
We would like to reassure all Shareholders that the Company is working relentlessly to conclude all outstanding notifications.
Once again the Company would like to thank our Shareholders for their continued patience and support.
The Company remains under strict non-disclosure agreements. All further updates will be published on www.cloudtag.com
Shareholder Notifications
30th March 2024
30th March 2024
Dear Shareholders, we regret to inform you that despite our best efforts to ensure timely notifications from the paying agent over the Easter weekend, there has been a delay on their part.
Notifications will now be sent on Tuesday, April 2nd, 2024. We sincerely apologise for any inconvenience caused by these delays in the distribution of funds.
We have received enquiries regarding the paying agent. As previously advised, if certificate holders issued by the company have not had contact from the paying agent by close of business on 2nd April 2024 (EST) you are advised to email the company at contact@cloudtag.com FAO Corporate Share Action where we shall involve the paying agent directly to handle your notification process.
Once again the company would like to thank our shareholders for their continued patience and support.
The Company remains under strict non-disclosure agreements. All further updates will be published on www.cloudtag.com
Paying Agent Notifications / Corporate Share Action
28th March 2024
28th March 2024
The Company is delighted to announce that the paying agent will be issuing notifications to those shareholders who hold certificates issued by the company on Friday 29th March 2024.
Any shareholders who hold certificates issued by the company who have not received notification by Tuesday 2nd April 2024 should email the company at contact@cloudtag.com FAO Corporate share action.
With regards to those shareholders holding shares via a broker, please be informed that this process is still underway and shall complete following the notifications as mentioned above.
The Company remains under strict non-disclosure agreements. All further updates will be published on www.cloudtag.com
Update
22nd March 2024
March 22, 2024
It has come to our attention that the notifications intended for shareholders have not been issued as planned, due to guidance received from the paying agent.
This process has been ongoing for some time and may persist into the following weeks.
We will provide further updates to shareholders by the end of the week, concluding on March 29, 2024.
We acknowledge and sympathise with shareholders’ frustrations regarding the delays experienced.
The Company remains under strict non-disclosure agreements. All further updates will be published on www.cloudtag.com.
Update
14th March 2024
14th March 2024
Further to all recent updates, we reconfirm that various UK brokers have already received notifications from our paying agents. We do not control the time-frames in which brokers contact their nominees.
Individuals holding paper shares are being contacted from tomorrow.
We remind all shareholders of the complexity of this transaction and reassure them that this process is entirely genuine and is simply taking longer than originally envisaged.
The Company remains under strict non-disclosure agreements. All further updates will be published on www.cloudtag.com.
Further Update
12th March 2024
12th March 2024
Further to the latest update released on 8th March, we are pleased to confirm that at the time of this update, electronic notifications have commenced where shareholders shall be contacted by the paying agent and various broker platforms.
Due to the intricacies involved with this transaction we are anticipating that all shareholders will have been contacted by the end of this week wherever possible.
The Company remains under strict non-disclosure agreements. All further updates will be published on www.cloudtag.com