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16:03, whispering, i was asking you what you think the relevance is, since you brought it up.
Sorry for the double post… typical of adverts jumping all over the screen whilst trying to key in on one’s phone :(
HITS
“The only evidence to support a positive outcome can be boiled down very simply to "Because Amit said so"... and the plausibility of this is not supportable by any inductive reasoning. Therefore, back to David Icke and the Windsor multi-dimensional lizards, I'm afraid.”
Regardless of whether one chooses an illuminati conspiracy theorist to make a point, or inductive reasoning to dispel any reasoning…
My view is, we are at the end of the line HITS… simply “because Amit said so” within the last two updates… that agents are almost ready to notify shareholders then brokers. No one would actually be here discussing if we didn’t think this could be a plausible outcome… would we now? (It’s why many invested in the first instance)
We’d write it off and move on surely?
HITS
“The only evidence to support a positive outcome can be boiled down very simply to "Because Amit said so"... and the plausibility of this is not supportable by any inductive reasoning. Therefore, back to David Icke and the Windsor multi-dimensional lizards, I'm afraid.”
Regardless of whether one chooses an illuminati conspiracy theorist to make a point, or inductive reasoning to dispel any reasoning…
My view is, we are at the end of the line HITS… simply “because Amit said so” within the last two updates… that agents are almost ready to notify shareholders then brokers. No one would actually be here discussing if we didn’t think this could be a plausible outcome… would we now? (It’s why many invested in the first instance)
We’d write it off and move on surely?
“Whispering, what’s that got to do with whether or not *cloudtag* is a genuinely very valuable commercial entity?”
You can’t prove it’s not Spike… you’ve no evidence
Or have you? Do tell…
Whispering, what’s that got to do with whether or not *cloudtag* is a genuinely very valuable commercial entity?
cloudtag was not set up as an investment trust designed to profit by taking stakes in shlomo’s businesses. and cloudtag is *not* one of shlomo’s companies.
Spike
“Helx, you’re entitled to your own opinion of course. if you think that time doesn’t matter, that’s up to you …. but me, i think if you are trying to make an argument about someone’s business credibility, then i think it does matter what, if anything, they’ve done in the last twenty five years. “
Sticking with probability also hypothetically speaking… because it’s what we’re all doing to some extent…
If I had a brother like Shlomo, and invested in all of his companies I could be loaded by now… (plus co founder of biosense…) all seems like pretty good business acumen to me… ?
Just saying :)
Helx, you’re entitled to your own opinion of course. if you think that time doesn’t matter, that’s up to you …. but me, i think if you are trying to make an argument about someone’s business credibility, then i think it does matter what, if anything, they’ve done in the last twenty five years.
i have never said anything about amit not being intelligent. but that’s a different issue from whether he has ever developed a company on his own and sold it for big bucks … so far as i can see, he made money a long, long time ago riding on the coattails of others.
the comms have not simply been “poor”, they have been self-contradictory and inconsistent. if i was a juror or judge in a trial or tribunal situation, i would not trust someone who gave that kind of evidence or testimony.
Yeah good one, that's how you win all the best debates. maybe try arguing your point a little harder :D
"Again, the evidence for greatly outweighs the evidence against." 🤣🤣🤣
1) why does time matter? if he's done it on multiple occasions previously then surely the number of years between each is irrelevant?
2) you assert amit didn't do anything with respect to biosesnse and yet ended up with £88m - more money than his brother who was apparently 'the brainchild'? lacking intelligence? hardly, definitely not lacking any shrewdness.
3) well all you have to do to answer that is look up the shareholder split for biosense / others. please don't make me do all the hard work for you.
4) the only point i'll give you credit for - the comms side of the sale news has been very poor - clearly not amit's strong-suit. But as he has re-qualified (+ apologized) - the sale is happening first payout to arrive very shortly.
Again, the evidence for greatly outweighs the evidence against.
Spikey, you can add...
5) has there ever been any verifiable evidence that Amit has done a deal worth $275 million with an unknown company for Cloudtags worthless assets?
1) how long has it been since amit managed to achieve a big payout by selling a company? - it looks to me like it’s been a pretty long, long time since anything like that happened.
2) has there been any evidence of amit achieving a big payout by selling a company *that he developed himself*, i.e. rather than just piggy-backing off someone else’s ideas and commercial nous?
3) has there ever been any evidence that amit achieved a big payout for other people (particularly retail pis) invested in his previous companies, rather than payouts for himself?
4) in gauging the probative value to be given to amit’s multiple updates, it would be reasonable imv to take into account not just amit’s personal credibility as a businessman, but also the internal consistency and coherence of the updates themselves — my own reading is that the updates are often self-contradictory, vague, incoherent and inconsistent.
You can belittle him all you like but he's telling us again that's sold another company, this time for $275m+ - payment to follow in due course. If you hold ctag shares you're going to get a payout - just need to continue to be patient - if you don't hold any, then why on earth are you still posturing here?
Antha - and yet... 'Ben-Haim, who holds 19% of the shares in Biosense, will receive shares worth some $75 million. His brother, Adv. Amit Ben-Haim, who was the first investor in the company, holds 22% of the shares, and will receive Johnson & Johnson shares worth some $88 million.'
lucky? unintelligent? very rich?
There are also news articles on it - just need to search hard enough to find 'evidence' of past performance.
Just for you doug - because you're very special:
https:// uk.marketscreener.com/insider/AMIT-BEN-HAIM-A1S2JB/
Shlomo was the brains Amit was the finance, Amit would probably be stacking shelves now if it wasn't for his genius brother, simples.
Ben-Haim founded, co-founded and presided over a number of businesses, mainly in the healthcare and biotech fields.[1] In 1993, he co-founded Biosense Inc with his brother Amit Ben-Haim.[12] (which subsequently merged with Webster to form Biosense-Webster Inc. under Johnson & Johnson).[13]
Amit Ben-Haim went on to found failed health wearables brand CloudTag. [14]
There will be another excuse this week and another delay, just wait.
Impulse Dynamics was co-founded by Shlomo Ben Haim and Lewis Pell. As per Shlomo’s wiki- bio.
Care to provide evidence where it then states that Amit Ben Haim has an input on this ?
Read the latest update.
Helx2, even you must be bright enough to realise these updates stack up at this late stage.
WHERE ARE THE NOTIFICATIONS TO CERTIFIED SHAREHOLDERS AND BROKERS?
Are you chaps a little soft in the head?
argument for > argument against
written evidence from the ceo of cloudtag on the cloudtag website (that the deal is very close to conclusion) is a primary source of evidence. Leaning on your evidence 'that nothing has actually happened yet (because you can't see it) is akin to stating that 'Wednesday will never again happen' because it's only Tuesday today.
biosense & impulse dynamics were founder by amit & his brother - both selling for $424m & $125m respectively with amit laking the largest cut from the former = more primary evidence of past success at creating a company, a product + executing large sales & therefore delivering value for shareholders.
Again I ask you - why is your evidence stronger than this evidence?
BS answers on a postcard please.
"The strongest evidence is stacked in favour of a successful outcome here."
As a shareholder (yes, shareholder), based on the latest raft of updates going back many many months, I think that comment is slightly wide of the mark... what evidence? The only evidence is based on the website updates, there's not been any verifiable external evidence, has there?