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Can anyone explain to me the trading patterns so far today. There appears to have been sustained selling most of today yet the shared price remains stable. Is there a big background buyer mopping these up? If so who could be shedding so many shares given imminent news and at the same time has anyone here actually bought any showing as a sell? Very curious times. Thanks in advance
- HSBC - continuing to load up
- Chinese - after all they need to sell so why not reinvest on open market ?
- another ii
Take your pick who is buying in the background but remember most red trades are buys
My buy is showing as a sell.
Sula, how do you know people are selling? What makes you say that?
routine and normal ignore any ref to buy/sell red/blue they are all artificially added
the market only does TRADES
The algorithms all external 3rd party site use is a best guess based on what IT thinks is
the invisible line mid all above buy all below sell, all it chokes on UNKNOWN and all
live or delayed based on what it thinks the price is NOW
Every trade, on all shares ,every day, only a 50/50 chance of the correct label
The busier as share, with MM's offering better prices either end and as such crossing that
invisible line, it cannot deal with, so for years it has been **** on a normal day and pointless
on a busy day
Until the worlds markets who all only do date time price volume .
decide to to the simple tech fix to add real data at source which they have been offered
but chose tradition over progress, it will remain **** for the foreseeable
:))
Well simply put......all trades are appearing as sells. It would seem the large “sell” from last night is a buy but the trading range given the volume has hardly moved
sula as the buys are below the mid price they are shown as sells, its been 3715 to sell most of the day for a few million
so not hocus pocus etc just a **** system that adds to the mushroom confusion
of PI's who think poor sad algo is labelling correctly, its 3rd party site reporting
nothing to do with the Market itself
Loads of these transactions are buys in particular those above 0.725
3725
and on a day like today many labelled buy will also be sell its all GUESSWORK every trade
as said the other day once went a period of 3 months with nothing but sells
if you looked across the trades for the day you could clearly see a 50/50'ish
ratio for the day
during that period around 30 of them where my buys, system not Market
reporting
hoping no you can do a dummy sell trade to see what price they give you...then you can derermin if its a buy or sell and to be fair we have had huge amounts of buying today to thoese who are selling, which we have a seller getting rid of 5000,000 each time
Sula, what the trades say is meaningless. It is just a guess from a machine. The only people who know whether it is a sell or buy is the two parties involved and the market maker. Stop reading the trades as if they are the truth. Everything in investing is about smoke and mirrors. Everyone is trying to get one over on you.
Why would the markets fix a problem that allows them to con people. They would much rather continue to publish misinformation that allows them to make loads of dosh.
the full details of today will not be revealed until close/after, as said early this morning
was already expecting a monster trade (255k completed from yesterday) and expect
another avalanche of sizeable trades at/near/after core hours close (the wider market
still open)
Let them play out their market tango, the more volume the better a share is positioned
to have a rerate and not a spike on news
@hoping agree with that the more shares in Investors hands the less shares the market has to minipulate with, dont forget though the sp may start to rise in the upcoming days as the traders buy in for news.
The market do not report any buy sell unknown red blue etc etc ONLY TRADES
the rest is down to 3rd party reporting sites using a best guess algorithm that can
not recognise quick changes within what IT sees as the overall range, if all trades
fall within happy as a pig in ****
But in real time it is the effect of the only ACTIVE MM's still playing normal some buying
some selling but now all operating within ITS range but all now also one side of ITS
perceived invisible line MID price that it bases all its decision on ITS Garbage
So true Yacht. The whole system is rotten. Those who have the power have no incentive whatsoever to fix it. Why would they give suckers an even break??
I wonder how many between us all on here we hold. Maybe need a post with all our numbers ??
Hi mum
we are beyond the traders now they will jump in for a quick hit but we now have a platform
for a substantial rerate and not a spike, when the MARKET IS READY and so we wait but it
won't be for much longer :))
@iron so we need a dummy sell and buy just before COP, or wont it matter?
IF as it seems they are filling huge orders at both ends, we will not move no matter how
many traders jump in until the MARKET decides to move as said the other week when
someone going a big buy 15k
When the 100k + strategic investors arrive then we have big buyers in play and for the past
few sessions we have had many much much bigger buys than 15k
as also said have seen a share slow burn and then blow the lid off with then appearing 3 day
delayed trades much higher than prices available on those days for £1.6 £2.1 and £2.6 Million
squid each one each day for 3 days
When big players in the game, the market will service them first and move when ready, in the
above case it was Maurel Prom (French major) buying into ukog which caused it to then roast
through 2p and fly to kiss 12p
We know we have HSBC buying for themselves or perhaps a client to be passed onto later
holdings account and perhaps others buying big yet to reveal themselves with a TR1
The market moves the market ALWAYS
anyone able to buy , all volume going to NT ?
can buy on halifax but its 3725 but only £500