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Grs24 Please go easy on Jake and Elwood , it looks like they are building up to the moment when they finally come out of the closet.
Lets just concentrate on continuing strike action and giving the likes of Jake and Elwood a heart attack
Come on you cap doffers , grow a pair and get behind the CWU strikers
Phat, you might as well surrender now. The strike is over. Even fewer people will strike next time, if there is another callout that is. They will be thinking more about their bills and their families. How many more days' pay can they afford to lose. No more, I reckon. Here we see typical union greed in the face of a national crisis. I say down with the fat, bald, aggressive union barons. They have no place in modern society.
Handy, although I do tend to agree certain points you raise there’s some I have to disagree with, I’m sure no one wants to strike, it’s not just BT it’s the country as a whole and when you look at profits against normal working people good and bad they’re no mistake where heading into a major crisis with the cost of living while people at the top get large payouts that’s the issue and people are struggling all over the place and its getting worse so putting the banter aside I’m sure you really wouldn’t want people loosing jobs or their homes etc , look, were all share holders otherwise we wouldn’t be on here, genuine people like most are on here apart from the idiots that think they can buy bt shares just to sell tomorrow and make a packet know long term we will all be winners but it might take a few years or so.
No need Farfart. Clowns like you guys make yourselves look stupid enough without help from others lol. Get your calculators out or get someone who can use one to do the sums. The money lost for employees due to the strike will outweigh any benefits. All while your "leaders" suck you dry. Hilarious.
Part of this huge cycle we are seeing unfold will be a recognition that 'labour' is a valuable commodity and will not be given away cheaply. Boomers retiring in their droves and getting triple locked inflation linked pensions, those on benefits getting inflation linked increased, retired civil servants etc getting inflation linked pensions....and the fewer remaining workers (less Millennials) being asked to take on student debts, higher NI contributions and pay high house prices.
Tick, tock.....wont last long. No point earning £30K a year and working like a dog when moving onto benefits makes your bills and food shortages the governments problem not yours.
Work needs to be rewarded highly , the unions are easing businesses into this...those that don't pay well enough wont have enough staff. Too long we exported our labour inflation to China....that's changing. Painful process ahead...follow the macros not political beliefs.
In BTs favour is Telecoms will fair better than many businesses nudging up tariffs with inflation....that doesn't guarantee VOD or BT a place in a rising market but at least they stand a chance. But they will have to pay the staff who actually earn the business money inflation linked wages or.....bye bye.
theloanarranger
"Business leaders argue these wage rises will simply feed inflation unless they are driven by higher productivity. “Ambition on wages without action on investment and productivity is ultimately just a pathway for higher prices,” Tony Danker, the CBI director-general
UK is in danger of walking through a "Dont look up" event due to squabbling etc...
Everyone whatever walk of life has to realise we need drastic change for the next decade and just arguing about wages in order so that we can just carry on whilst world changing events go on all around us ....is merely fiddling while Rome burns
More like the loanvanker! Global economist? I think not. More like a CWU union rep who's preaching from the socialist bible. Idiot.
Handymandy... you are the idiot, those of us closer to you coal face know more than you do about the situation and if believe the IA has had little effect you carry on supporting fat cat behaviour. I can tell you the wheels are falling off and those at the top are ignoring it thinking contractors ( who by the way cause more faults than is admitted) are the robust plan for mass engineering absence
The strike is not entirely about the pay rise, its about imposition and the fact the Mr Jansen thinks he can decide the future of thousands of staff without proper negotiation. He believes the staff are driven by pay alone, but he should know that most staff do more than there get paid for everyday as a team and breaking moral means he loses more than he bargains for.
"He believes the staff are driven by pay alone, but he should know that most staff do more than there get paid for everyday as a team and breaking moral means he loses more than he bargains for."
I've heard that sort of rhetoric before, but it rarely plays out in reality. The truth is the strike hasn't and doesn't stand much chance of success. The lower paid workers actually received a decent pay rise in percentage terms, the older workers are probably trained on the legacy network and coming close to retirement. Anyone who's interested in the job, with years left, should be more interested in re-training and moving into new roles with new opportunities in IP, DWDM, and Cloud.
Reading between the lines, it seems the CWU realise that strike days hurt their members more than it hurts BT, hence the letters to MP's, and trying to drag major shareholders into it.
I also don't understand how the CWU think it's ok to attack shareholder dividends, when many small shareholders rely on dividends to top up their pensions. The CWU say:
"Members across BT Group are being urged to write to their local MPs, expressing their anger and frustration at the double standards of a hugely profitable company that is imposing real-term pay cuts on frontline employees while splashing out hundreds of millions on shareholder dividends."
https://www.cwu.org/news/bt-pay-dispute-avalanche-of-political-support-for-striking-workers-as-union-considers-next-steps/
Have the CWU forgotten that many shareholders aren't rich, they rely on the dividends for income, and they went without any dividends during Covid. My pension's capped at 4.2%, no matter how high CPI/RPI goes, and I invest in dividend paying companies to protect my savings against inflation and supplement my pension income, yet the CWU talk about me as though I'm the enemy.
Don't talk to me about fat cats Truroman. Look at your union leaders - fat, beer-swilling baldies to a man. Don't see many women there, either. Your strike is over, you silly little man. Get back to your cider and prepare for the fuel price increases later this year. I'd get back to work as well, if I were you. Your family won't thank you for bringing home a reduced pay packet, dumbo :)
Fleecy, with the greatest respect the young lads are the ones pushing the strike, you mentioned your 4.2% rise each year where I presume you were pension A/B on probably a c3 grade and you get that under you kick the bucket, the young lads don’t get that luxury unfortunately and will be in pension poverty when and if they get to retirement the newer higher grades are not what they used to be pay rise it’s all changed with less pay part if it being a bonus wok hi just isn’t pensionable , that’s not a dig at you by any means as you are with the lucky generation where people mattered over inflated CEO’s wages but take a few mins to take into consideration the young generation who are pushing the strike action are going to be under pressure big time in their later years, the strike has made a massive difference wether you want to believe the news or not.
handjobmandy.. maybe if the CEO had awarded a pay increase that came anywhere near inflation we would be prepared for fuel increases. as you seem to know everything , did you know that the months before the pay rise , overtime was stopped as Mr J knew this was going to IA so any pay increase was candled out ? Mr J cares nothing for his workforce , only himself and his major investor pals. I'd say from you aggressive tone you need to take you opinions elsewhere as you have little concern for people fighting for what they believe is only fair. did you risk catching COVID-19 attempting to restore vital communications for kids and teachers to be able to study from home! guess not
"you mentioned your 4.2% rise each year where I presume you were pension A/B on probably a c3 grade and you get that under you kick the bucket,"
I haven't ever worked for BT, I worked for one of their competitors. The 4.2% is the cap, not what I receive. Because I retired half way through the last financial year, I only got just over 2% rise in April, the maximum I'll get next year is 4.2% even if inflation goes up to 13%.
The younger guys should be looking at how they can make themselves more valuable in the future, not fighting for a mediocre pay rise now. If I was starting at BT now, I'd be fighting to get on as many training courses as I can, as Telecoms are going to see a severe jobs cull once FTTP is completed. You'd think the guys who work in the industry would see the writing's on the wall for future job reductions. With PSTN gone, and the Access network only comprising of ONT's/OLT's with the fibre inbetween, many jobs will cease to exist and FTTP will require a much smaller field force. The safest jobs will be the Network operations centre roles in transmission and IP, but they're the easiest to export to India and other low wage countries. The best protected UK jobs will be the specialised Field IP/Voip roles focused on business customers, for dealing with faults and installations. The Telecoms transformation will lead to convergence and simplification of service/product offerings, so again less staff required. The best chance of keeping as many NOC jobs in the UK, is by not rocking the boat and encouraging employers to export remote management jobs. The Unions will just encourage faster job cuts, and exporting of remote management roles, in my opinion.