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I have just the aircraft for you Wellwell
https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/15/20806776/norway-electric-plane-battery-crash-fjord-jet-fuel-avinor
https://www.freshbusinessthinking.com/oil-and-gas-industry-listening-to-greta-thurnberg/
No room for a drinks trolley so it's a no from me.
LOL, know what you mean
Hi ww /AquaeSulis01,
The space for a drinks trolley is presumably an issue because
…"On a per weight basis, jet fuel gives around 43 times more energy than an equivalent battery "
and …"It (the e-plane) has a range of AROUND 81 miles".
And people fret about 'range anxiety' in an EV on the ground....
Don't turn the heater on, sir.
ATB
'supply is finite/falling, absent ongoing E and P'
..that is not right at all! global supply increasing eg Guyana (no oil production today) will 'soon' be producing more than UK North Sea; big discoveries in Eastern Mediterranean; massive new Shale Oil in Argentina ... global oil resources are abundant! ie not finite in our life time nor 'falling'
Good point extrader, need to wait for the graphene revolution to lighten the load. In the meantime could always consider balloons, after all plenty of hot air on this BB and spare ballast to offload as well. Eh, what, nnnooooooooo didn't mean meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
W e all seem to forget that Laura Dekker sailed around the world solo years ago in a small sailboat while 15/16 years old. Young people are extremely capable and don't don't necessarily get sea sick. And don't forget the 16 year old boy who sailed the Atlantic many years ago.
Thornburg's bigger challenge will be the wall of resistance when she gets to the US.
She's actually a timely warning to us dyed in the wool oldies who, like everyone else, had never thought of global warming in the 1970s
She has her father with her and I hope the exploiters will not damage her enthusiasm, health and life for their own over exaggerated claims.
We will still need oil for many, many more years,, there may be a temporary blip in support of this company but time will bring us back on course.
Electric cars are not the ultimate answer due to the increased infrastructure, high carbon emissions due to bettery construction and further mining for rare elements. however I'm encourage by the range of adanced hydrogen driven projects from motorcycles through ships to steel production.
Hi Foresight22,
What part of "...'supply is finite/falling, ABSENT ONGOING E AND P..." did you not see. ?
Shoulda gone to Specsavers !
ATB
Wellwell,
I've waited 'til after-hours to argue with you about the OT subject ! :-)
" Greta is trying to make a point for the planet. The fact she's made it so well has upset those who don't believe or fully subscribe in climate change. As well as the usual idiots."
I think you've missed out a category here, which I personally fit into. Because I don't consider myself an idiot, and I'd certainly be on e if I didn't believe in climate change. As to 'subscribing' to climate change, that's a rather odd concept. I mean, I don't 'subscribe' to climate change in the same way as I subscribe to my online copy of the Times. Make a payment and it drops into my email inbox every day. Climate change isn't something I pay for, and I'd have sent it back with a note of disgust during a couple of days of the recent heatwave.
But if you believe in the anthropogenic causes of climate change (on which subject I remain definitely sitting on the fence, sucking on a blade of grass), maybe I do pay for climate change. Through buying the diesel which fuels my car.
But when I gas up on my way to go play poker at Chatelaillon, I'm not filled with pangs of remorse and guilt that by doing so it may increase the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. If CO2 emissions made me feel guilty, I might as well stop breathing pdq.
No, you've missed out a category of person, a category who are utterly disinterested in what Ms Thumsuck has to say or do, though acknowledging her celebrity status as another weird social phenomenon. And that is the category who are aware that climate change is happening, but SIMPLY DON'T CARE! And I'm one. OK, Chicken Little is running around saying the sky is falling, and maybe it is. But SO WHAT? I'm more concerned about the steady ongoing fall in the Hurricane SP, thanks very much.
I'm not completely thick between the ears, though, and I do believe in things like the 'butterfly effect', the laws of unexpected consequences, and so on. But as a result am quite prepared to accept that my driving to the casino may somehow provoke a volcano to erupt off Sumatra, or somewhere like that. An volcanos are enormous contributors to climate-change, much more than my car's exhaust emissions.
On which subject (exhaust emissions), a few years ago I took out my spanners and fitted a device which 'neutralised' the EGR valve on my rangerover, which has the 3 litre BMW straight six diesel fitted. The EGR is a so-called 'environmental' device, but one which would make any halfway decent engineer have nightmares. Result (proved by emissions controls taken at the two-yearly test) ? The car runs cleaner, plus I get better mileage!
Well I forgot about you-the type who doesn’t care what’s left behind :-)
In all seriousness it’s a crisis unfolding in my opinion but I also know there’s very little you or I can or will do about it. But overtime the mood will change, in fact it is already. We old fuds don’t like change and we like what we like and we won’t cut our ways, but it shouldn’t mean we can’t help and support the young who have no such needs (yet) do things differently. After all it’s their planet not ours.
Wellwell,
" We old fuds don’t like change "
Speak for yourself. I thrive on change! (Except the latest fad of youngsters with powerful speaker-systems hidden in a backpack broadcasting hip-hop 'music' on the streets!) Siht, what was bypassing my EGR, if not change? 'Chipping' the brains of the motor (again, done myself) made things even better!
(Please don't tell my insurance company.)
That’s the exact opposite of change you oldie. That’s what we always and have always done with existing tech we are familiar with to manipulate its purpose for our own benefit. You’re missing the point deliberately.
WW,
"That’s the exact opposite of change you oldie. You’re missing the point deliberately."
Who you calling 'oldie', Oldie?
And no, I'm not.
However, must rush to my habitual late-night online poker-game, entering just before the end of the rebuy / addon period, as is my habit.
Back in a while, either when I've won, or been knocked out.
PS If online poker had existed back in the 80's, I'd never have made it further than roughneck! Ch ch ch chaanges...
Wellwell,
I'm back again. Earlier I posted
"Back in a while, either when I've won, or been knocked out."
And I got knocked out before the final table. Can't win 'em all!
But really, this whole 'Greta thing' isn't so Off-Topic anyway. Because she's advocating stuff which is quite contrary to the reasons why posters here (assuming they're actually invested) are trying to make money.
In fact, I do find her to be an interesting 'social phenomenon', a stick through the spokes of the establishment. And as a 'rational anarchist' I can groove with that. (Sorry 'bout the Woodstock-like language, but in a few months we can remember Altamont.)
Oh! I'm forgetting dear Albi!
Here you go... It's the weekend. Something relative to our SP...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkAzMiEUUQ8
Aduk
Thank you kindly for today's pick. I was tempted to go with Bob and Changin in the wind - as that fits this thread more than anything. But in the spirit of anything's possible went with this instead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGkGNCUQtWY
The question 'is the TOL a happy rig?' I hope so.
Save the planet ....? "It has been revealed that two crew will fly to New York to bring the boat back, and it is also expected that skipper Boris Herrmann (left) and Team Malizia founder Pierre Casiraghi (middle) will fly back to Europe ." Honestly what a crock .
So a bigger carbon footprint than just Greta and father flying there and back! Sailing for symbolism only!!
Of course it’s for symbolism. Surely you knew that ffs?!?!
it just symbolises the fact you can't have a zero carbon footprint ....it really couldn't highlight it any more forcefully.
A GP friend of mine tells all his patients to cut down on their alcohol consumption.....then goes home and drinks like a ruddy fish . Honestly it's hilarious.
MCB55,
"So a bigger carbon footprint than just Greta and father flying there and back! Sailing for symbolism only!!"
Yup.
Snail, thanks for the news.
Honestly, this has made my day. What a hoot. I hope a lot of peple will be waiting on the dock wearing those red nose things.
WW,
"Of course it’s for symbolism."
But right from the start, it was wrong. I have a deep mistrust of people who like puff-boats.
Snail,
"A GP friend of mine tells all his patients to cut down on their alcohol consumption.....then goes home and drinks like a ruddy fish . Honestly it's hilarious."
I was once told that the definition of an alcoholic is someone who drinks more than his doctor.
Unfortunately (this is an utterly true story) I once had a local doctor a bit like that, who I was also a drinking-buddy with. He played the drums in a jazz quintet as a pastime, other than shamelessly womanising, which he was also quite good at. Quite a character, but died aged 56 of liver failure.
If I’ve learned anything since posting on this forum, it’s that some people here just either don’t get something, or can’t get it.