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There are plenty of countries who need hydrogen plants like Australia to keep up supply and demand of Hydrogen car and vehicle manufacture.
Looks like PHE are set to rapidly fill that gap !!
Castle
China
China
Hydrogen fuel cell cars originate in Japan and South Korea, which still dominate the market for hydrogen vehicles today. China is capturing the advantage of hydrogen to decarbonize buses and trucks with about 85% market share of hydrogen commercial vehicle shipments in 2021.
Good morning All
red all I know stated by phe is there hydrogen will be sold at a competitive price due to gate fees , self sufficient fuel chamber running on its own created syngas .
Its about Saving the planet of plastic, all them old tyres no more incineration or land fill keeping in line with Net 0 and legislation 2030 ,, PHE is not a idea, its really happening . You any many other sceptical people will find out before Christmas with the Technology Centre opening not sure the price of the stock then 🤔 it could really escalate.
Not forgetting HGVs can nearly double there milage on Hydrogen even though the cost per 1 kilo ie the same as 1 gallon is higher but its really about net 0 and untreatable plastic 👍
Hydrogen busses in the uk
Castle
@red_hornet It won't be government subsidies that will catapult #PHE into the stratosphere. It will be its ability to produce energy from waste. Bridgend will be part of the catalyst that will create massive momentum & massively highlight the unique & property technologies this company have to offer the world. Arguments that attempt to compartmentalize & downgrade what #PHE will offer are futile.
Red H: IMO: I always take numbers of clients as a show of interest only. Potential clients will do due diligence and require detailed data on several fronts. I suspect there were too many unknowns 4 years ago. Further information regarding performance may be released on Full IP status & independent analysis results from its current build in wales.
As regard to storage and transportation solutions this could be as lucrative as hydrogen itself. Liquefied/increased gas density would accelerate interest in the Hydrogen as a store of energy once a standard is agreed.
Castle - do you know how much the government are subsidising the buses in Birmingham and how long that’s in place for.
Hydrogen is a standard 0.074 kg per cubic metre. You mentioned PHE will compress the Hydrogen in to tubes, but what does this equate to in terms of kg/metre cubed?
Birmingham cc Hydrogen fuel for buses are subsidised by the uk gov at the moment..
I'm expressing how important the use of Hydrogen in busses, hgv etc are that's phe market , PHE Hydrogen will be competitive due to manufacturing
methods ie gate fees and self sufficient .
+ were doing good sorting the plastic problem out compared to the costs and Ugley Ness of wind and solar farms
Castle
Castlepaul.
Birmingham CC will certainly not be buying H2 from PHE, either in the medium term or long term. It will store H2 in tanks in the bus depot, the H2 being sourced from the cheapest form of manufacture, which is Steam Reforming Natural gas. Cost is paramount, not if it's grey, green or blue. In the longer term H2 from electrolysis with electricity from wind, solar etc , if competitive, will be bought.
Hi red
PHE hydrogen will be compressed on site, so can be loaded onto tube trailers for onward transportation or can be piped to a near-by hydrogen fuelling centre
Castle - how are they doing the fueling?
Cheers
The West Midlands is already leading the way with 20 hydrogen double decker buses, bought by Birmingham City Council and operated by National Express West Midlands. It means the region will have 144 hydrogen buses on the streets, the largest fleet in the Western World.
Hi Divvyup,
Are Peel still looking at the 70 plus sites mention in that analysis?
Also, one concern I had was the cost of transporting hydrogen, as it’s not very dense. There’s a lot of news around ammonia being delivered to sites and converted in to Hydrogen in situ.
One tanker of ammonia is equivalent to 8 tankers of hydrogen, so a huge difference in transport costs.
Anyone got an updated version of the link below. There have been many claims of CCS developments regarding minimizing or elimination of exhaust gases. Main point, have DMG emissions improved since this report was published?
https://wp-powerhouse-2020.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/media/2021/01/13123317/PHE-150720.pdf
12p is realistic when you consider we hit 6p in 2021 with the Linde tie in
Yes we will have plenty of main stream income coming in ,,, many bags here 12p will be smashed.
Blake Morgan , Sarah added: “It is great to get this deal done, which is a significant contract and stepping stone for PHE. This arrangement establishes a long-term relationship between Powerhouse and National H2, while also potentially providing a long-term income stream for PHE.
Castle
Hopefully, there will be a follow up RNS giving an update from PHE within the next few weeks.
Excellent read and certainly an exciting future. If the process works as planned then those of us who have been purchasing around these levels should hopefully see a massive return, keep topping up every month with pocket change i can afford to loose in the hope that all these DMG's will be scattered round the globe in the next 10 years :)
Massive potential from NH 2 alone.
Thanks Alkin
Need to read this;
https://nationalh2.com.au/capital-raise-to-launch-following-japans-2-5b-investment-into-the-australian-hydrogen-market/
They are not messing around (240 plants)
Hi, this is from National Hydrogen's (the company that has done the deal with PHE) website;
New hydrogen heavyweight, National H2, is on track to announce a series of major deals which will see it build the world’s first network of waste-plastic-to-hydrogen plants across the APAC region.
To achieve this, National H2 is forming a powerful consortium involving a publicly-listed technology partner along with a global conglomerate as the key project partner.
“Our mission is to develop over 240 waste-plastic-to-hydrogen plants across the APAC region, which will play an integral role in overcoming energy, waste, and climate challenges,” says National H2 Director, Richard Allen.
The Company currently has four initial sites being considered for development in Australia and Singapore, along with a significant amount of locations in the pipeline, which they intend to transform into state-of-the-art hydrogen production facilities.
National H2 will use groundbreaking technology that takes non-recyclable waste plastics and converts them into hydrogen, syngas, and clean electricity while capturing the entrained carbon in the plastic for permanent sequestration.
“With 3.5 million tonnes of waste plastic available in Australia, there is enough to supply feedstock for 200 plants across the country, which places us in a strong position for rapid, sustainable growth.”
That's insurance companies for you, take your premiums then try to get out of paying up.
I will be extremely surprised if Onunda actually have a case looking at the time frames and the fact that it is being brought by a company who's employee was employed by the company we appointed to make the TCC before they went belly up. I would hope any court should see right through their claim as nothing more than a company chancing their arm. So will be surprised if our legal costs amount to very much at all. Fingers crossed.
I wouldn't worry about the patent issue, the company making the claim is a new company, looks like they are trying to get money for nothing out of PHE.
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