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Whatif,
That is just the standard Joyson/GM position on top of the steering column which in the photo appears to be near the centre of the wheel.

My main problem with this patent is if you asked Goodyear where to put technology they would say in the tyres. So when you ask Joyson they say the steering wheel - slightly more appropriate. By mounting in the rotating part of the wheel they do solve the problem of the car parked with the wheels at an angle so the camera on the steering column being blocked by the steering wheel spokes. This could prevent the car from Identifying the driver. If course, you can still block by driving with your hands on the hub. Or when steering around a corner and blocking with your arms. Good thing we are out of the exclusivity deal.

Worth looking at the picture of real steering wheels wonder if they will appear in production cars?

JC, Shallwe,
The way that the claims are arranged, it relies on something doing the facial analysis and gaze tracking and blink measuring. It does not say how this would be done in the claims, only in the description. Since building these takes a great deal of knowledge and vast amounts of data, I would expect Toyota or their OEMs to buy in these features. They may use their own combination of measures on top, including upper body tracking from a wide angle.

There is only one worry I have about this patent is how it plans to increase your level of alertness. After talking to you at varying volume it wants to read a document to you that is specific to the driver. That will wake you up. So submarine captains get a letter from the PM. Football fans get told their star striker is injured and Seeing machines shareholders get told that we have been bought by Martin for only 15p, see that woke you up.

Nice one this JC.

Gives you an insight on how Supercruise monitors the driver's attention and ability to take over. Not just eye gaze, but is the gaze relative to events outside. Also are you holding a phone, talking, with your foot on the seat. What is the weather and traffic like. How long is the journey - all of these things can be taken into account. Not just "did you look away for 5 seconds"

No news here, Veoneer make/assembles cameras for DMS! This patent describes how they sandwich the camera and lens between two PCBs with a surround of metal for shielding. If you look at the picture it is very form follows function. With low cost being a key priority.

Hi JC,
Sorry been a bit tardy.

I don't like this one but I can see it is where the world will be going. Insurance costs adjusted on the fly based on driving behaviour. Not necessarily linked to DMS, they can get information from the bus to detect if you are speeding in the first instance, but as more inputs become available we will see it. But until it becomes mandating or is everywhere I guess we can try to choose to avoid it. Of course, if we are good drivers, it could get cheaper, but how often does that happen?

https://twitter.com/mrlevine/status/1389591189821661187?s=19
The fully electric #MustangMachE is turning on dealer lots in just 4 days

"So this means you can just walk up and buy without reserving online?".

"If you can find one, absolutely."

Our announcement is getting closer...

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/2023-bmw-x5-m-lci-to-get-giant-curved-interior-display-from-electric-ix-160387.html That will mean SEE comes too, wonder how many of 40k annual sales will get it? Maybe all?

I watched that presentation yesterday from another site, got my hopes up as it was about removing distraction - but that is a change in the design language - less fussy ****pits.

No those lights on the steering wheel aren't for DMS. They would be covered by your fingers when pressing the buttons and would rotate, so would not line up horizontally with the camera (since our eyes are a lot wider than they are tall, need the illumination from the sides to pick up the glints and not lose them on the eyelids or lashes)

Just thinking out loud...

UN regulations for ALKS - divided highway travelling in the same direction with no cyclists or pedestrians. Speeds up to 60kph.

In the UK there are 2,173 miles (3,497 km) of Motorways

Needs UK type approval.

Needs insurance to drive in the UK

I wonder if the Blue Oval will have mapped our relatively small Motorway network and have a car with suitable safety and DMS features so that it gets Type approval for ALKS driving in the UK with the blessing of Thatcham. They might just be the first?

http://www.autonocast.com/blog/2021/4/27/222-the-case-of-the-driverless-tesla

DT,
This is a big deal, but you have the wrong pillar. This is not the "relatively simple fairly off the shelf solution"

"Delivered via the Company's embedded Driver Monitoring Engine (FOVIO e-DME software library)" so it is not a turn key solution, it is the lego bricks so you can make your own system to your own design but reassured that the DMS/OMS will be great, but also you will have eye tracking etc available. But the Tier 1 will have to build and integrate the system, why choose this option - because if this is an innovative new EV player, they want the best and custom designed to be unique, probably deeply integrated with ADAS and or the car's systems. That means there is a wedge of Engineering fees associated with this deal. Fisker/Magna sound like a good match. The Ocean has been well received and hopefully will sell very well and lead to new models from this new EV.

What you are thinking of is Magna's mirror. In its lifetime, it will not sell not millions, maybe not 10's of millions
I recon that the the mirror will sell in the 100's of millions.

Not sure there is a connection, ours was about the phone docking. Here the phone function does not require the Dock and all functionality is embedded in the mirror

Numpty, I've looked into this one before. It was a research project at ETH Zurich. Although it involved Swiss it is not commercial. They used Smart Eye Pro cameras in a simulator. The cameras are research level and only temporary. In the articles it explained considerable set up was required for each user and the analysis was not automated like in our CandyBar (TM). Smart Eye staff would not have been involved

Interesting patent, obviously similar but more comprehensive than the Bosch sunshade which only darkened to create shade on the driver's eyes, but they did have a working version at CES 2019 and this is far more recent

Seisnav, that is a bit too tenuous, just over the border and a lot closer is Detroit. OEMs don't make cars, they press metal and assemble parts. Tier 1s are just the next level down components are assembled to make parts and assemblies for the OEM. We are just the very essential Tier 2 that makes a key part of the software(which will be packaged and assembled into a chip by a T2, then installed onto a PCB by another T2, and inserted behind the mirror glass and camera made by other Tier 2s. ) beyond that it is turtles all the way down.

No serious car manufacturer will touch that Jungo demonstration if they can read what is on screen in the video
22 Frames per second with a 640x480 VGA camera ( < 0.3 Megapixels ) and that was a demo without gaze tracking
22 FPS is not a safety DMS, that is a tick in the box DMS

Terry, I can spell that out for you O C C U L A

"The R-Car V3H SoC integrates a full set of automotive peripherals including CAN, Ethernet AVB, and FlexRay and features a *full set of video processing and image recognition IP for advanced sensing and recognition, including CNN-IP, Computer vision engine, Image-distortion-correction IPs, Stereovision, Classifier, and Dense Optical Flow*. Production is planned for the first quarter of 2022.

This should be sufficient to ensure that drivers are fulfilling their monitoring duties when the car’s computer takes the wheel."

https://twitter.com/seeingmachines/status/1384416119310618627

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@AlexRoy144
thanks for the callout. We know not all DMS is created equal. See link below to our opinion on the efficacy of camera-based DMS, especially as it relates to L2+ vehicles. Time to talk to
@DrMikeLenne
on your show? #seeingmachines #safety
Eyes: the windows to the soul -
One of the most safety critical and contentious issues in the automotive world right now is how to effectively monitor a driver’s engagement level while they use partially and fully automated driving...
seeingmachines.com
8:58 AM · Apr 20, 2021

https://www.seeingmachines.com/blog/2021/04/20/eyes-the-windows-to-the-soul/

I will admit that the discussions between myself and JC on Patents and the technical side can be a little dry.

But here is a video explaining the fusion of eye gaze and the outside world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGAUYA3Y4Ms
It is also available at https://www.veoneer.com/en/driver-monitoring-systems

Notice how the car knows whether or not the driver has seen the bicycle