RE: Fantasy Portfolio4 Jan 2025 12:19
Asperger1
I tend to agree with you, however
"A very basic comparison that does not include divi yield, IMO those still suggesting lloy is 'the worst share ever' or a 'dire share' should maybe consider premium bonds?"
It is clearly not the worst share ever but you need to look back further, I have had some shares for a long time and added over the years some bought, some employees share schemes. A long time ago it was £10 (a couple of rights since then I believe over £6 when adjusted) with a good yield.
When I joined Lloyds Corporate in 2008 it was £3.50 and then the disastrous HBOS take over happened. I left a year and half later to joined Barclays Capital at 60% rise in salary after the very cleaver Lehman Brothers purchase. At Lloyds there was no money for pay rises, bonuses and share employees share schemes worthless also as a new starter had very little personnel investment in Lloyds. It was all gloom and doom as most employees were long term and wanted to leave but were trapped by their final salary pension schemes, they all lost huge amounts of money from the many employee share schemes they put into for many years, virtually all wanted redundancy as a way to get out with the pension in tacked.
I preferred Lloyds as great place to work and Barclays Capital not nice, a very stressful but had to leave as no future at Lloyds + the pay difference. Stayed at Barclays until I retired early because it started to go downhill when Bob Diamond removed.
So that is the past (for me) where is the future? I think Lloyds will do OK but will be held back by UK economy mostly caused by a succession of useless governments where Barclays have more abroad so should do better. However I am not adding to either and for now taking advantage of the state of the UK economy which has caused huge NAV discounts on ITs and REITs causing these to be liquidated and return capital to shareholders at decent profit, 4 of mine already liquidated with nice profit, 1 almost there and 4 more in wind down process. Also buying energy stocks, Oil and Gas, nuclear etc with the caveat they have very little exposure to the UK along with some miners. I see AI doing the best but very difficult to me pick the winners but see energy for AI and growing world outside of Europe will drive energy prices up but DYOR.
Premium bonds good if you are a high rate tax payer.