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Indeed Mullins there are some strange ones about. One way or another this crisis will pass and I hope not to pass with it. Coming out the other side of it demand will pick up and if we are producing it could be a really big win. What a time to be cash rich.

Off piste, and quite happy to be criticised for it; shadenfreude is a condition that is speaks a lot about the quality, or lack of it, in a human being.

It is a most timely RNS and as you say STV good to see.
We can continue operations and it appears we are. From what I am told there has been a somewhat zealous interpretation to the new rules in Spain by the police and army and they are stopping lots. At this time Wres’s relationship with the community, local and regional politicians Is something of a trump card- so very important at this time imho. So for that well done MM.

Me daughter in Salamanca tells me people are getting chased back inside when they go out in Spain. I imagine that will have a small impact on production. Not all good for the rest of the months production.
However, if the local police and officials want Wres to continue working it can be allowed too. Mind you the army are doing some of the enforcing and are becoming zealots it appears.
If there is a demand it would be good to be running. Can’t think there is though.
However, vegetables from an allotment will be worth more than tungsten at this rate.

Kev, GITs daughter is doctor for intensive care and such. He never said it was him.

Inki, surprising at is, I totally agree with you.

To stay open.............? Well done Han****.

Nick Han****, he told the absolute truth, he said he could not make a ventilator. Now he and the cobra team have ordered ventilators this weekend, why not a month ago? I thought I would not have ever thought it in a million years , but Diane Abbot looks more competent.,,,,

The govt is looking to pass emergency legislation: one piece of which is measures to keep schools open, and enable doubling of class size. Now if that is contagion control my head is on upside down. Guided by scientists?

You asked where I got my figures at 20%. I have been following this Xmas, when I first saw something on the internet.
Tried finding stuff, blogs, itubes etc, stuff coming out of Hong Kong was good: one on particular they phoned the crematoriums in Wuhan and spoke to staff. Horrendous stuff in terms of numbers and workload etc. Other snippets.
A key thing that i found out is when the virus effects the lungs it does it suddenly, in a few hours the aveoli get filled with heavy glue like mucus you and you can’t breathe. As soon as it starts you try to get to the hospital, but the transport there and the admission was too long in Wuhan. So people dropped dead in the streets and waiting rooms. Now for those needing care it is an agreed 20.% all sources concur. The care required is ventilation and oxygen, do unless you were already in hospital you died before intervention because of the time required where most people were at home with a bad cold to dying a few hours later. That 20% figure was the one that bloggers and utubers were putting out from Hong Kong from relatives etc in China and fits in with them not getting urgent care. Add to that the sudden urge by China to get loads of beds ready, by then they knew what to do. Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Dreaming that’s what they said as I indeed told things.

Han**** said on Question time that the Govt was working with supermarkets and their representative bodies to ensure supply chains. The next morning the supermarket representatives and bodies said they had no liaison whatsoever with the govt and he must have made it up.
Trust the Boris team is one view, mine is along with the bulk of scientific opinion in the world - I say world because the govt scientists in a specific country ( egUK) will be biased by the political masters. So you need to look at independents etc.
Medcram utube very good, or dr Campbell, or the ones that got pulled that were out of China or Iran, doctor’s from Italy and the USA.

Regardless of politics. Boris imo is not the person to lead through this, as I have said Jeremy Hunt would be better for this- qualified Doctor as opposed to Boris who studied Greek Myths.
The are huge lessons being learned about dealing with the infected, and a good many of us will be, so the later along gives us more chance to mitigate. Let’s get the equipment like ventilators, stocks of drugs, perhaps field hospitals( could be empty cruise ships), train extra staff up, testing, perhaps develop more treatments, build temporary crematoriums, get the army trained as support nurses and body collectors and consider a central essential supply and distribution system. Planning properly before doing a thing is simply better. Without support systems in place there won’t be below 1% like SKorea it will be like it is in Iran and China before they put measures in place with a not officially 20% fatality. Lombardy is one of the richest areas in Europe and there the death rate is rising.
As for herd immunity, I understand that immunity to Coronavirus of any sort only lasts about three months, that’s why we keep Getting colds ( there are also rhinovirus colds). So immunity would be of no value next year even if you did sacrifice Hunan beings now.
We need to develop treatments and general vaccines. Therapies can be developed more rapidly, they know that HIV and malaria treatments have efficacy.
Time and preparation, as for those that want to be in the herd, that’s a great and noble sacrifice for the rest of us, unnecessary though.

Oldie, even if the argument to let it spread were valid ( it’s not) then we need to be in position to deal with the outcome from that when we do it.

Bulk of world scientific opinion is to delay it . SKorea testing proven excellent system. Boris has always been a numpty. So in total my money is on severe containment whilst we develop stuff and put resources in place. Boris has just asked industry to get producing and provide more respiration and ventilators equipment, so even that tells him we need to buy time to put them in place. Complete mismanagement, as he does with his life, as London mayor etc. Not the guy for this job. Much better if we had Jeremy hunt at this point.

Also me grandad was at Gallipoli where upon he formed a very similar view to that of hbob on the then High Lord of the Admiralty, Churchill, on a very poorly thought out vanity exercise that even if successful was strategically naive at best. Nope me grandad didn’t rate him, always thought it was the British people that saw us through WW2.

It is not a political point from my point of view, but I can express severe disagreement with the Boris, let em save it approach to provide herd immunity. If you wish to listen what the WHO say, or the experts in other countries, then my view holds sway. This smacks of a cummings tram idea imho. So I think if we continue as we are Boris will go down in history as a butcher. Being 63 and having hypertension I am concerned that I have to die for Boris team exercise in dangerous and theoretical experiments in epidemiology.
In Essex we have a word for people like that regardless of political persuasion the collective noun is cxxts and singular cxxxx.

I know it’s an i not a u.

Fran, I can live with Eastbourne, there’s a Belgian cafe, fish n chips on the pier, decent coffee on the beach. If it gets bad you can always wander up to Burlington gap and chuck yerself off at the light house.

Oldie, that’s an absolute rubbish solution. On any zombie movies where they have tried isolation, there’s already someone on the turn or a basement somewhere. I suggest you go back and reflect on your solutions.
Fran very wise words, as a trainee lion fighter in my youth I know what you say makes sense.