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Deutche had a tp of 185 on vod in March. QED.

For a few years I've been downbeat on VOD and recall receiving a lot of vitriol for predicting falls to 90p.

However, am I wrong in reading that income and EPS seem to be up, debt has reduced so with a P/E of around 2 and yield of around 10% VOD is undervalued?

What exactly does the city see that's causing the sp to languish at these levels? Is it mostly that future growth is hard to see?

Well we didn't hit 145 unless I have a different chart from everyone else. Was rethinking 143 but it's risen a bit which I though was worth a punt. Hope it climbs away into the 150s. I think if I sit on my hands and don't add then it might get there!

'tis good that this thread is civil. I keep looking at the chart and find it difficult to see how we'll avoid 200p. Looking at the last month we can lose 10p in a week. As the market is so sentiment driven, maybe 200 will act as kind of whole number barrier which the market won't cross but that's probably a daft bit of speculation! (I keep reminding myself that I'm always wrong. ) We're seeing a number of fairly large ordinary trades at this depressed level which I'm hoping will stop it from getting there. The yield at that level will be pretty extraordinary.

Nolo I think you are probably right at least I hope so. 213 is really tempting but you know how it is - whatever price you buy at it then goes lower! I've always wondered how that is is so consistently true...

I'm looking at a top up at 145. I 'feel' Barclays are a better bet than the high div paying insurers. No shorts that I can see.

Shorts seem to have increased. Aviva has no shorts. Dunno why that is.

Maybe this will drive the LGEN sp down. Tempting to add on the hope that things will recover eventually - but how long is eventually? The UK seems to be terminal decline. Massive debt and 100s of 1000s being added to the population each year. Ms T would probably cite the household analogy. Each year the cost of living goes up, debt increases and we squeeze more people into the bedrooms. So I have 190p in mind as a nadir and the risk of a dividend cut. I would get all sorts of vitriol on other forums for saying that, like I did way back with Vodafone and more recently with S4. Would of course hope there is some sort of recovery running up to Xmas, driven by investors hoping a low price will pay off in the end!

Foxtrot Foxtrot Sierra. Will we stay above £4? Will the FTSE stay above 5000?

Huh - I wouldn't seek reassurance on here! We had a little rally (short term false dawn driven by MMs no doubt) but I couldn't see it getting much past £1. Stating the obvious it all hinges on the next update. Maybe there's been some magic in the background. . .

Looking at the trades it seems lots of toppng up going on. Looking at the chart it still seems premature.

It's clear to all of us that the sp in stocks like LGEN haven't got anywhere in the last decade. We've had big dips in 2013,2017,2020 and probably this year's drop hasn't run its course. I've bought 'dips' which then just sink lower when with hindsight obviously you need to buy crashes not dips. I'm in the red on everything other than US funds. So like many I'm just hoping for a recovery but feel with the UK such a basket case the low value reset is here to last for the next few years.

I've long wondered whether the ups and downs is mainly due to short term trading only. It would be in MMs' interests to tease the prices up and down to keep trading revenue flowing.

Cumulus cloud formations over south UK have exhibited a bayesian inverse stochastic fibonacci retracement thus supporting the current barclays sp.

Well momentum obviously gathering. Can't risk stopping it by adding as I did in july. Dead cert it'd reverse if I did. Almost worth adding to prove it!

Ade can cope with the intricacies of L2 but not lookup the dividend dates? Twas 4th may earlier this year.

Anyway, I'm hoping we'll be back above 500 before the year end. A very cyclic world-sentiment driven stock this.

Surely we are at or around support level? I say that with NFI what I'm really talking about.

Shorts have increased recently which could mean a gamble on behalf of the shorters or they know more than we do.

Alternatively if shorting is self-rewarding i.e. always plays out then there's little hope for investors. the only reason is isn't banned is that the Treasury ultimately makes money from the trading that goes on.

Well today so far bought value is higher than sold value. I like to think this means something to the upside. Problem is, many of the trades are bots distorting the market. So much about today's world is annoying like that - it's like being plagued by flies.

If we can get above £6 I'd be content. For some reason I think that the winter period might be more favourable but that's just becuase I'm irrational.

People who post with a subject line like the above are clearly desperate to talk up the share even though no-one on here can make any difference.

This is very much a watch this space share.

I'm just gonna hold on for a year or so. More likely to creep up if I don't add.

that's right. well it's because the uk is a basket case and is isolated. singapore on thames my ****.

the more brokers talk up the blue chip 'undervalued' stocks the more they seem to go down.

i guess if you're lucky you can day trade but whenever i've tried that the stock goes down and stays down. the market moves to my tune alone.

Yes it's analogous to ambulance chasing.

Anyway, the sp today is the same as it was in 2011. What does that tell us?

Looking at the long term chart it would seem that it could either way in the next months or years.

The P/E is ridiculously low. There will always be a need for minerals. The dividend is good.

Just don't know. No-one does.

S4 should be £2 fair value. Sentiment is now the main enemy 'cos it's now clear it was over-hyped (all the talk about whoppers) plus the way it hasn't handled the comms so the City is bashing it. So now it's all about delivery: growing revenue and reducing debt (which isn't really that bad but what do I know). Also we need director buying.

Meanwhile we'll probably see short term profit taking which may keep a £1 lid on it.

More likely, everything I've said will prove to be wrong.