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"Regulator- I don’t agree, Boris will be fully aware of what is going on re testing, U.K.-rtc, Mologic rtc.
They are obviously still not ready to release any news on where we are and the intended capabilities yet."

DHSC and his advisors will be fully aware. Johnson simply doesn't have the capacity to deal with details - he may sound intelligent but all the evidence suggests otherwise.

His role is to outline broad policy. The detail will come in documents and subsequent announcements that will underpin that policy.

"Anyone else notice that although Boris says that we are increasing testing generally he never answers specific on testing when posed as a larger question, he literally ignores the testing part where he can . He obviously is giving nothing away."

He won't answer it because he doesn't have a grasp of the detail. He waffles and repeats certain key phrases to cover up his lack of detailed knowledge around policy.

Let's be absolutely clear: Johnson is *not* going to name names...

As an aside, Nick Fletcher sounded like a school kid reading out his question. Not exactly a stirring orator.

"The British Armed Forces are a professional force with a strength of 149,080 UK Regulars and Gurkhas, 37,060 Volunteer Reserves and 7,840 "Other Personnel" as of 1 April 2020. This gives a total strength of 193,980 "UK Service Personnel".

And they cannot be deployed for policing duties without specific legislative provision.

"easy to criticise when not in power - lets not forget who runs Wales and Scotland NHS......."

The NHS in Scotland is doing better than the NHS in England on many measures...

Johnson is rattled. He's struggling to respond...

"Second national lockdown... massive failure in government, not an act of God"

Oof!

"Army to support the police. Martial law on the way!"

That would require specific legislation which isn't currently on the books. I think he'll struggle to get it through Parliament.

"But I really don't see these restrictions curbing the infection rate."

Keir Starmer is precisely shredding his speech...

The Bloviating Buffoon saying something credible would be a first...

"I think CK had a hand in writing that up. I did very much like this part of a sentence."

Unlikely in the extreme. We don't have to go down the fantasy route to bolster confidence in ODX. We're in a strong position anyway...

I've kept a little of the rebate aside, as I wouldn't be surprised if the market reacted poorly to the Bloviating Buffoon's rambling outpouring of ****e to Parliament later today...

... thanks to a rebate from those nice folks at HMRC.

"I've lost the thread somewhat...why would you buy an Aston instead of a Porsche but I'm biased I already have a Porsche and it's nothing to do with syme-lol"

Porsches are like haemorrhoids... ;)

"I agree, you can get infected from surfaces, but the virus starts to die and loses it's strength on surfaces."

Not as quickly as one might think. It will depend on the surface but anything from 4 - 72 hours.

"I think RegulatorUK sold out today...

If we are going to be that pedantic Regulator, there is no point doing any sort of test. Coming out from the test centre someone could have coughed two cars away from you, that whiff could have inadvertently blown into your car, and infected you."

Au contraire... I've bought on the dip and increased my holding.

As I have repeatedly pointed out, the uncertainty actually makes widescale repeat testing more of a priority - to get the level of information needed to provide assurance - and that's good for a company that produces a gold standard antibody test (and potentially will be producing the gold standard POC antigen test as well).

"Regulator,
3/30 million have had it twice. Pretty good odds hey? I'd take my chances. Lol."

The problem is, we don't know how many people have potentially been reinfected, as few countries have devoted resources to monitoring it - they've been too busy dealing with cases.

We need to go back to the fundamental message from the WHO back in April (which hasn't changed):

"...there is not enough evidence about the effectiveness of antibody-mediated immunity to guarantee the accuracy of an “immunity passport” or “risk-free certificate.” People who assume that they are immune to a second infection because they have received a positive test result may ignore public health advice. The use of such certificates may therefore increase the risks of continued transmission." (https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/immunity-passports-in-the-context-of-covid-19)

What does this mean for ODX? That we need to start using the gold standard test to gather the information, on a large scale basis, that will provide more information and answers. At present, we're only doing small scale stuff. And we need to do the testing frequently...

...which is good news for those companies producing gold standard antibody tests.

"point us to a link where it says those with antibodies can infect with touch."

I beg your pardon? Are you for real? Why do you think that people are being told to wash their hands and clean surface? It's because you can spread the virus through touch. Antibodies deal with viruses when they are internal (e.g. on a mucous membrane via IgA, or in blood via IgG and IgM). They don't stop you from carrying the virus externally (e.g. on your hands or clothes.

"How many people in the world have been reinfected? Point us to a research which says you can be reinfected."

The Hong Kong case was confirmed as they genetically sequenced the virus both times. They were from different clades. There are currently 16 strains of Covid circulating in the UK. Various labs are in the process of sequencing these and comparing the samples from people in the UK who have been reinfected.

"Being a troll you’ll know all about bridges"

*Snork* New keyboard required - this one's covered in coffee.

"Surely you can only spread Covid when you are infectious stage."

No. You can spread Covid19 through other methods, e.g. by touching an infected surface and transferring it - without you having an active infection. It's why you're told to wash your hands, not shake hands, etc.

" Yes you may have started to develop antibodies therefore it can get picked up with antibody test but also likely to be picked up with antigen test as well."

No. An antigen test will test for an antigen - not antibodies.

"Re reinfections only seen the hong kong case as being evidenced. Most of rest likely cause is poor test quality."

No. There are now a significant number of clinically evidenced re-infections across the world - including here in the UK. Appears to be most prevalent amongst clinical staff.

"I did.

How much money do they have?
Who are the customers?
How many signed contracts?

Provide, I will retract"

Read the various RNS.

And, as you are the one making the original assertion, it is for you to provide the evidence to back it up - not for mick2 to prove the negative.

It's also worth pointing out that the 'rate of infection' is not related to how many people have antibodies - it's about the rate of increase in the number of people testing positive for an active infection as measured at two different dates/times.