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WORTH ADDING TO OUR HOLDING AT 518P THIS COMPANY ALWAYS SEEMS TO LAG BEHIND ITS PEERS WHEN IT COMES TO ITS PRICE. BEEN LOOKING FOR A FEW WEEKS SO HAVE TO DECIDE DO WE BUY TODAY WITH IT DOWN 5P AND THE MRKT JUST DOWN AFTER A RECOVERY TODAY. OR LEAVE IT TO TOMORROW BUT WE FEEL THE PRICE MAY RISE OVERNIGHT ESPECIALLY IF THE MRKT GOES UP TOMORROW. P/E UNDER 8 AND A DIV OF JUST UNDER 5% WORTH BUYING AND HOPING TO PROFIT IN 12 MONTHS.

We had noticed there are buyers but the traders are not letting it go up Why. perhaps they know there are a lot more sellers around the corner or bad news. have to beware when a share does not go up with buyers seemingly out bidding sellers.

Looking at eps of 6.7 the share price can easily go down to 60p - 50p before any stability with no one willing to buy

We where tempted at 100p but did not bite so we will let it keep going down then once there is a level have a nible, but beware of a dead cat bounce. Why the drop in price. does someone know something nasty and they keep selling small batches to buy back cheap when the bad news is out?

People seem not to like to invest in far away countries. so a gradual rise in the price will have to be what we must endure, then maybe as they increase profit, people will look at it, or it gets taken over.

Please let us know what information you have on them and what investments they have. Thank you

AS USUALLY WE HAVE BOUGHT IN AS A FLL OF 40ODD% MEANS SOME THOUGHT THE HIGHER PRICE WAS WORTH PAYING AND THEY MAY JUST BE RIGHT SO AT �10 THEY ARE WORTH A SHORT TERM RISK . AVOID HIGH P/Es AS OVERALL THEY GO DOWN RATHER THAN UP. VISA VERSA THE OTHER WAY ROUND

SOME OF THESE DEALS ARE FOR JUST A FEW SHARES, SO IF THEY WERE MADE BEFORE 4.30PM WHY NOT PUT THE CORRECT DEALING TIME RATHER THAN WHEN THEY ARE REPORTED. BUT WITH ALL THIS TECHNOLOGY WHY ARE THEY NOT ENTERED WHEN MADE? SO THEY MUST HAVE BEEN AFTER HOURS. ONE THING IS THE MARKET MAKER IS GETTING A BIG SPREAD ON THEM GENERALY. PERHAPS THE SHARES ARE AT A PRICE THEY SHOULD BE WITH A P/E OF 8.5, WHICH IF NO MORE GREMALINS MAKES THEM BUYABLE.

Did you all notice that brokers Berenberg put a price tag of 26p on debenhams on 4/12/17 Have to watch them in th efuture

Always thought Black Rock was a very sensible investment house. They should have employed us at 10% of his salary but they would have had over 18% returns last year instead of Carillion.!!!!!! not held Debenhams for yonks but may have a little flutter

Hopefully the price will increase as sales increase in the spring. It is difficult to sell properties at the moment, (as we know ourselves in trying to sell a 3 bed bungalow with about 1/2 to 3/4 acre land which could be used to build on @ �150K) Spring is usually a good time for estate agents and hopefully we will see an improvement then. We sold part of our holding,a month ago, leaving just a little and we will hang on to these and increase the holding once things look rosier.

DID WE NOT SEE THAT M&S HAVE RENEWED A CONTRACT WITH CAPITA IN THE UK AND ABROAD. WE DID SAY WE WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED TO SEE NEW CONTRACTS COME IN TO FOCUS. WHILE ONLY A CONTINUATION OF CURRENT WORK AT LEAST IT IS NOT A LOSS OF WORK FOR CAPITA. LEVEL OFF THEN GRADUALLY INCREASE BUSINESS WITH NEW CONTRACTS. WILL SEE THE SHARE PRICE INCREASE. NOT SURE WHY SO MANY ARE SELLING WHEN THIS IS A BUYING OPPORTUNITY IN THE LONG TERM

YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO INVEST A LOT OF MONEY TO MAKE DAY TRADING PROFITABLE. THE BUY/SELL EXPENCES KNOCK OUT SMALL TRADERS FROM THIS GAME.

AS MENTIONED BEFORE, THE GOVERNMENT HOLD THE KEY TO PRICE ALTERATIONS IN MINING COMPANIES IN TANZANIER. IF THEY DO NOT COME OUT WITH ANY MORE NASTIES THEN THE SHARE PRICE COULD TREBLE.

WE BUY STOCKS THAT DROP A LOT AND HAVE A LOW P/E ESPECIALY IF THERE IS A RESONABLE DIVIDEND AS WELL. THIS ONE WE OVERPAID FOR AT JUST OVER �4 THOUGHT OF SELLING BUT ALSO WOULD BUY MORE IF IT LEVELLED OUT. CARILLION HIT THIS STOCK FOR NO REAL REASON. ALSO THE LOSS OF ONE CONTRACT CAUSED A DOWNWARD MOVEMENT. HOWEVER IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE US IF THEY ANOUNCED MORE NEW CONTRACTS.. SHORT TERM WE FEEL WE CAN MAKE A PROFIT ESPECIALLY IF WE ADD TO OUR CURRENT HOLDING. BUT WE WILL SELL IF IT DROPS ANY MORE. THEN WAIT AND WATCH. WE DID MAKE A MISTAKE IN THIS PURCHASE.AT THE WRONG PRICE. CANNOT WIN THEM ALL.

Thanks for the link. We think these charts have some relevance and they often work out, if you can follow them! Does not matter what charts etc say if someone with a big wad starts buying them or someone who ownes a lot is fed up and decides to sell millions . Along with dodgy accounting coming to light or a new gold find etc is discovered. For us a low p/e is what we like especially if there is no reason why a stock has fallen more than it should have done. We added a small amount to our holding which is twice + the size of most of our other 50 odd shares. Something we do not believe in. On that subject we should be selling some of our Premier Oil holding which is about the same size as this one as we bought in at 54p and 55p but the p/e is very low. so we are hanging on in there as well.

Thank you. for your input. the more inputs given the more information we all have. The one thing I failed to allow for was debt. Realy the thing we should look at for all companies is: the value of the company per share, Taking what they own then deducting what they owe. This is not always easy to find or calculate.then followed by looking at their current trading, followed by their estimated EPS for this and the next year. all of which gives a better picture. Lets face it for people like myself trying to value what a company is worth if everything was sold is far from easy. The so called proffesionals continue to get it wrong. How often de we see Brokers advice coming in with one saying buy and another saying sell. We must allow for people taking note of brokers statements and any current news. Bad news often gets an extreme drop in the share price while good news does not get the same % increase. So we buy when a share is oversold and has settled for about 2/3 days and is cheap and sell, or partly sell your holdings when it is at its high and the p/e is 12 or more as a guide but not set in stone. Companies with a very high P/E only have to have a snifter of bad news for a massive price drop, this is when we then look at buying in to it. As an example of what we missed. Carillion we should have bought at 15p and sold at 22p ish.before further bad news returned it to 14p however we were otherwise occupied at the initial fall and missed out. now probably best to leave alone. We often manage a 40 -50 % profit. on companies like this. But we have bought too soon occassionally. Mothercare we have gone in to at 43p as our latest adventure. Let the big boys soldier on and we take the scraps that fall from the table. Dont be to greedy. Buy in to Sectors when they are low. gives a good return One big thing is sell if you have made a mistake. your first loss is your lowest loss i was told this many years ago. HOWEVER ANYTHING THAT WORKS FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL IS THE RIGHT WAY FOR THEM. Remember to always limit your losses, that is the most important thing.

EITHER OUR AGE IS TELLING (APPROACHING 80) AND WE ARE MISSING SOMETHING VERY VITAL OR THIS IS THE BARGAIN OF THE DECADE. IF THEY ARE EARNING 1.67P PER SHARE, AND IT IS INCREASING THE SHARE PRICE SHOULD BE AT LEAST 16P TO BE NEAR THE AVERAGE P/E OF COMPANIES. MINERS USUALLY HAVE A BIG P/E. WITH ANGLO AMERICAN AT A P/E OF 17+ THAT WOULD MAKE A 27P PRICE FOR SHANTA GOLD. SO WE WILL BE BUYING MORE UNLESS SOME ONE CAN PLEASE TELL US WHERE WE ARE GOING WRONG

WISH PEOPLE WOULD PUT THEIR COMMENTS ON HERE RATHER THAN TWITTER AS WE DO NOT USE THESE SITES, LIKE MANY DELAPATED OLDIES LIKE US SERIOUSLY ANYONE HAVE VIEWS/INFORMATION ON THE COMPANIES PROSPECTS? WE ARE THINKING OF INCREASING OUR HOLDING , BUT WARY WHEN A COMPANY IS AT A RECENT HIGH. WE ARE DITHERING ABOUT SELLING A LOT OF OUR HOLDINGS AND TAKE THE PROFITS, BUT EVERY TIME WE GO TO DO IT THEY GO UP AGAIN. SERIOUSLY WE THINK THERE WILL (HAS TO) BE A DROP DOWN, WE DO NOT EXPECT A VERY LARGE FALL PERHAPS 100 TO 150 POINTS. THEN SOME STOCKS WILL BE WELL WORTH BUYING. WHEN THE DROP ARRIVES SOME SECTORS WILL SUFFER MORE THAN OTHERS. WE HANG ON TO THOSE STOCKS WITH LOW P/E AND A DIVIDEND DURING FALLS AND ADD TO THEM WHEN THE MARKET SETTLES. SO IT WOULD BE WISE TO SELL STOCKS YOU HAVE MADE MONEY ON AND HAVE A LARGE P/E AS THEY WILL DROP MORE 5 WISE THAN OTHERS. BUT THEN THE MARKET MAY KEEP GOING UP UNTILL MAY. BY THE WAY BEFORE ANYONE COMMENTS WE DO CAPITALS SO WE CAN READ WHAT WE ARE WRITING SO WHO KNOWS WAHT ABOUT ARIANA?.

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