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Ade -so given the straps are crossed over at the top ( standard industry best practice for loads like this again.....im sure you "know".....) and bound tight you think they are going to slip off? you realize they would only do this by snapping the lifting lugs don't you?

Daz - not a bad idea to be fair, but speedy will be working with what AFC provide, and the scale will be not worth any recommended redesigns yet. as for why it isnt just a case of welding the load to a trailer - depending on placement of battery within the unit and the height of the COG a trailer may not be suitable for the current design of the tower (and frankly if it were my call i wouldn't want to risk it at this stage anyway yes it makes it more usable but how many times do you see van drivers flying around, i would rather a slower rollout than news everywhere of them being tipped due to drivers taking hairpin bends at 50MPH)

i imagine reconfiguring the tower into a shorter, wider unit would be best then it could be easily retrofitted to trailers, and made so that a non trailer unit could be stackable up to 3 units high as an example reducing the footprint for 3 or more towers but increasing the footprint for a single one. to me the strength of the system is its modularity and i would build on that as much as possible.

ADE - as someone who works in the construction industry frequently planning transports (of many loads from scales of this size to using specialist trailers to move multiple thousands of tons) you are wrong. loads like that are shipped all the time, you see the wonderful invention of lashing straps which are visible in the photo, those bright yellow things holding the unit down - well through a basic understanding of physics you can prevent a load from tipping especially since the straps are 5 ton capacity and the unit likely weighs 1-2 ton your restraining force would be 1-200kg max - strap will be working at most to 10% utilization.)

as for your remark on the cost effectiveness of transport - transport isn't paid for by AFC or speedy its a cost passed on to the customer, it goes under mob/demob fees.

then for your opening point as we deal with speedy as one of our key suppliers - your local depot may not have heard about it yet as you are speaking to a receptionist, they would have offered to make enquiry's for you (if your phone conversation was real) and relayed you to a branch manager who would likely have said its a new technology which they are slowly rolling out so it isn't available everywhere yet.

I know the industries you are pretending to be familiar with - and given the fact you just are announcing "connections" to a large hauler to be your mate even though they are rarely ever used for cargos like this due to being a curtain sider fleet with a payload capacity of around 22 ton (they travel to Europe a lot axle loadings are lower there than the UK which I'm sure you know.....)not the sort of wagon you book for a single 1-2 ton load unless you fancy paying a few thousand pounds mob and demob costs just to support your "mate".

I would recommend educating yourself a little so your porkies about contacts, insider knowledge and your specialty in haulage isn't so clearly non existent. lets be honest these forums are more for people who are already invested those looking to research into buying a stock will be reading news articles and looking at the past trends, those interested in selling would have been here a while and have their own reasons, you really are not going to manipulate the price from your spare bedroom typing misinformation.

Ade -

point 1 - its not a loan its a grant.

point 2 is essentially restating the purpose of the hirer. its the entire construction industry hirer business model. the only work they ever do is essentially administrative, typically if you order a large telehandler they cross hire (as in they rent off someone else to rent to you) and in the event of a breakdown they contact a fitter. your comment is either misinformed, intentionally misleading or based on false assumptions.

I only even log on here now when an RNS is free to check out the feelings but there is a strong belief in me that even if a takeover bid for 20 billion was signed (one can dream) Ade would still find some way of calling it negative.

not worried about low revenue, going from an R&D company to a leasing model to show the tech and demonstrate it will be slow. the fact we have revenue at all is the key for me. most burst pipes start off as a small drip, I'm optimistic that that 200K revenue is but a drip signaling a coming flood (though not a 20b takeover as much as i could dream).

Speedy work with most all of the contruction industry.

i work in construction management and you see them everywhere on just about every large construction project in the UK.

i said it ages ago but the welfare containers used en masse all across the industry are a perfect application for the power tower. when they get out larger output systems too for larger plant (dare i even say rapid charging for electric telehandlers and MEWPS) this will be a dream partnership.

The 15 min delayed price hasn't updated yet. i took opportunity to top up at 8 am and live price is already +10% a few seconds after 8

So your argument is that this product the power tower, a mobile generator aimed largely at the construction industry hasn't lead to a deal with a petrochemical giant.......that's not exactly a logical argument.

for the 200KW point - its tough to say honestly, 2-3 100-200 KVA units are typically used for powering the main site office for construction (this point only applies to construction - which seems to be the area they are currently targeting, i accept 200KW would be a larger market for the world as a whole) - those offices are for 15-25 office staff and typically have welfare for 20-40 site workers (this would be a typical highways improvement scheme / bridge replacement scheme as an example).
in most of the projects i have worked on however the 100KVA units are far more prevalent - because they are more mobile and its not Atypical to have satellite units away from the main compound where additional welfare provision is needed along with power tools and task lighting.
that said for the 10KW power tower there is actually a huge quantity market or them in construction(though obviously the per unit cost is lower so it would be nice to know the figures AFC are charging)
just not in the form they are currently marketing this - it would be far better for them to tie in with company's like portacabin, Sunbelt, speedy e.c.t to try and get them fitted into the containerized welfare facility's for 5-12 people as it isn't uncommon for there to be a large number of these on sites especially ones such as HS2 where the construction area is rather wide spread (you don't want workers traveling for 20 mins each way before and after their break as for a team of 30 that's 12 man hours lost a day). and assuming the power tower is quieter this would be brilliant for the workers and noise impact on local community (you have a headache after sitting in one of the cabins for 20 mins or so with the Genny running as they are quite loud)

another use for this would be temp charging facility for EV's - i am a yet to meet anyone in the construction industry who is based on site for any more than 20% of their time with an EV, myself included as personally i drive 20,000+ miles a year. so a site visit 150 miles away for an 8 hour meeting becomes a much longer day or multiple days when you have to plan in a few hours of charging too, ultimately meaning more time spent away and not with your loved ones (this is the number 1 burden of construction industry workers who aren't director level, some years i was based away in places so remote i only got 30 nights in my own bed in a year, with an EV that would have been none at all. and i am project engineer so there is less need for me to be on site than the operational staff)
if ample charging was available at the location of the site it would be less of a sticking point. likewise for the supervisor with an electric van, if he doesn't need to charge up on a night before getting back to the hotel where the 1-2 chargers provided are in use by those who finish work before 6pm - its less friction if facility is provided to charge at work while the vehicle is idle and they are busy with other thing

honestly these aren't especially "large" 100Kva Genny's are quite typical for medium - long term construction.
a small welfare cabin for 5-6 workers would run on a 4/5KVA Genny (though with no battery so the engine works hard and they need TLC quite often)

but , good catch i missed the term "lease hours" - typically the run hours act like the odometer for static plant and got lured into the trap.

you do pay for the rental period with traditional hirers. so a diesel Genny you would pay £X/week, (so if site operates a 5 day week, lease hours could still technically be 24/7) it would indeed be fair to assume they are using the same model, though as AFC is treading new ground here its not guaranteed. could be on a honeymoon deal for the customer to pay for hours used, more transparency would be ideal.

the higher profile construction sites will mostly have peaks where 24 hour works are undertaken, but it isnt that common. most site offices however have a security guard come in after the day workers for the site office have gone but most Genny's would be shut down at this point - with one still running to provide security with the CDM regulations requirements for power, ability to heat food and water e.c.t.

construction workers typically works on a 10 hour minimum day contract though, with supervisors and management starting first. i imagine daily run time average would be circa 12 hours.

so then the question becomes does the 7000 hours run time only account for the cell stack, or also hours when the cell wasn't running but power was provided from the integrated battery storage (perhaps I'm misremembering but believe this is part of the system and i thought a useful one for precisely this reason) - which would be ideal for the minimal manning of a 1-2 man security.

Haggis, the Genny you posted wouldn't be used on construction sites long term just for localised power for 30mins-1 hour, not the type i believe the AFC unit is aimed at combating - the ones the tower looks to replace from my reading are the more "permanent" fixtures (in the site context this is the duration of the project they are used on). with a larger fuel supply, better cooling, silencer, spark arrestor e.c.t used for long term use such as the 24/7 running of the office and welfare facilitys. not 30-40 mins of localized work of the one you posed. ( i'm not throwing punches here, as a long time lurker i know things get heated easily - but i have been an engineer in this industry for 10+ years working on jobs of all scales)

typical example of the units i believe we are competing with is - Hyundai the DHY12500SE (which you have to note even then is only rated for 18 hours of power) - need full specs of AFC system but could be very promising in my opinion

the size isnt an issue at all. for others who work in construction who will know. most 10Kw gennys used on sites are about 1.2x0.8x1m (LxWxH) and also dont have the battery back up.
by all accounts the footprint is more critical as space is often a premium, by eye 2 of these side by side would be similar size to a standard genny, with twice the power.
the battery back up is essential though and needs to be large enough to buy time for any technician to get to the site in the event of a fault, as i imagine it wont be your standard fitter needed to get one of these working again (im sure this is only an early days issue though and with time if this catches on will be as i see it the superior option)

Leeds cinema was packed yesterday
Maybe 1-2 spare seats max