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Hope you are now felling better having got that off your chest…

“ The fibre network will only be PARTLY complete by 2026 . It’s a milestone, not a completion date. ”
That is correct, BT hope to have 85%FTTP coverage by that date. But by then the PSTN will be switched off . In 2023 BT will no longer sell wholesale non IP enabled products, ie a traditional phone line. Locations at switch off that are not by then covered by FTTP will be served using there existing copper connection back to a FTTC street cab and will use a broadband service to provide voice products. From 2023 customers will have there traditional phone service converted to VOIP by either conversion to full fibre or conversion of there copper service as previously mentioned. The conversion is already well underway, new FTTP service includes a conversion to VOIP at installation making the copper connection redundant at that time.
So after the PSTN switch off, 3years away, staff numbers will start to fall, none will be needed to maintain the PSTN equipment in eaxhanges, core transmission equipment relating to PSTN, people to make the connections in exchanges, jumper runners, many smaller exchanges will be decommissioned in the first year as all other services will already be in the process of conversion to an IP product.
The point you, and many others are missing is, from 2026 all services will be digitally delivered vastly reducing costs for BT year on year after. Do you not remember the conversion from analog TV to Digital just a few years ago now, they said, you can’t do it, it will take years to do. Well it didn’t people bought digital TVs or boxes others were provided with boxes free such as those who could not afford a box by the government or charity’s. This is the Same, it will happen by end of 2025 . Then it’s cash cow time. Remember the parable of the Tortoise and the Hare…

Reducing staff numbers before the copper network is retired is not as simple as it sounds. Each person in the field has staff behind them supporting there role. HR, logistics, vehicle, equipment calibration and safety testing, remote network support, IT support, training, safety and quality checking and other minor but essential staff. Call center numbers, these were brought back from overseas due to poor service and performance not to mention customer complaints about them. There were also outsourced internal call centres that were even worse. Today a retail customer can expect provision or repair work to be done during the normal working hours. These include Saturdays and depending on the time of year and skill set any where between 7.30 to 21.00 . To achieve this there are staff working various patterns from 3 day week to 14 day 3 week. If you cut the frontline numbers at present you would not be able to cover 6 days a week from 7.30-21.00. It will reduce but only once the copper network is retired so at least another 4-6 years maybe longer…

Update. All sorted upgrade from FTTC to FTTP in 14 days ( not including industrial action ) cost of £1.49 a month extra to go from 14m to 150m . Well done BT. All local external fibre build done in a little over 3 months in a rural area mostly overhead. Only altnet in the area are still not ready after over a year of building. And VM/O2 still over 20 miles away with no new build outside of the 3 existing historic locations within that radius!!!!!!!

According to the TV adverts they simply go straight through the wall, no door needed…

Thanks Fleccy, it’s the dreaded predictive txt and my slight Dyslexia, actually that resembles the Trooli guy I saw…

A few months ago I posted about Trooli and Openreach building FTTP in my rural area. At that time Trooli had been building in the area for about a year and OR were just starting. Well tonight I received an email from OR advising that FTTP was now go in our area and taking orders for conversion. Looked on Trooli website and guess what, yup still no service available at my post code. Guess what I will be doing tomorrow…

Or, Love and Romance…

???????????? Is this in Esperanto …

I have to agree, there is a mood change in the last week or so. The rail unions will be in talks next week, the barristers have come to an agreement with the ministry of justice, ambulance workers and other NHS staff are awaiting ballots . Perhaps now people like Grant Shapps who was not prepared to get involved in trying to resolve the rail strikes is out of that job people are prepared to enter into talks. That’s not to say any talks in any sector will initially get agreement, at least they are now making an effort, I suspect the government has realised that not trying to assist in a resolution in the past has simply made things worse and perhaps been in contact with all parties to say, make another effort we need the whole country to pull in the same direction for a change…

“ Openreach broadband base down 89k in Q2 (Q2 FY22: net adds of 29k) due to reduced broadband market growth and c.40k impact from industrial action, with competitor churn in line with our expectations; “
I read that as a loss of 39k BB connections as the other 40k are connections in the system that are yet to be completed due to industrial action. It is likely that many of the lost connections have gone to Altnets in rural areas that BT has not yet built in.

Perhaps the BOD have learned a few lessons from the past year and have decided to release positive stories a few days before quarter results. The media has spent a lot of time releasing a negative narrative around key dates for BT that never happen but tend to hit the price as many market makers do not understand the reality of upgrading a telecoms network. Also read today, ISP review, that O2 are thinking of selling off 50% of there telecoms mast management company, perhaps times are getting hard for some of the bigger network builders finding funding…

It is a shame that some on this board want to do nothing but tout criticism of the CWU and it’s members for taking part in legal industrial action. They make no mention of all the work that has been done by BT and the CWU in the past. The last strike action by members of the CWU was 35 years ago, prior to that there was a few days action in 1982 over privatisation. The successful company that BT has become since privatisation, leading the way with the national rollout of FTTP , helping the country grow with its business products, having a workforce that is available 24-7-365, is down to one thing. In almost 40 years, with the exception of a couple of weeks in 87, working together BT and the CWU have created today’s company, and it’s success for the company, it’s employees, shareholders, and the country . How quickly some will forget, or ignore this when it suits them or simply do not like employees having the right to fight for what they believe is the best way forward for all concerned. I left BT several years ago and have no in depth knowledge of the current dispute, and the same I guess can be said for those who are so vocal against the CWU. But without those 40 years of cooperation we would not have a successful company to invest in…

It would appear you are correct. Big brother eh…

Oh dear touched a nerve me thinks…

perryjones, it would appear that you know the price of everything and the value of nothing…

When I started this thread it was a sarcastic comment that appears to have been missed. Just after 12 noon yesterday our latest PM started answering questions in parliament. By the time she had finished the UK markets started to fall even further. None of the answers gave any confidence to the markets that she and her team know what they are doing. Helping with the cost of energy was accepted by the markets as a good thing to stabilise the cost of living and kept the markets on side, the rest of the financial statement has screwed everything, yet on and on they blunder. HaHo soon be Christmas, £5 anybody???

So now we are under 120p following the FT100. Fall started just after noon and has accelerated since then. Wonder why, what ,who. Any clues out there ?

Rod, you are like Dr Who. How many reincarnations do you have left. You must get confused with all those email addresses you need to keep track of to know who you are today, let alone yesterday.

In my experience there are a lot of, poachers turned gamekeepers, at level one. Lest we forget eh…