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Indeed. In times where high frequency trading is a thing, it's not just illusory to think one can beat today's price efficiencies like this, it's plain stupid. If there was a pattern for you to detect, then there's an algorithm which can do this a billion times faster and better than any trader which is the reason why most transactions are done by bots. Next thing he's going to tell us that a machine couldn't do his job better because it's an art or what's his excuse for doing something like this manually instead of using an automated, statistical approach (be my guest [1|)? Maybe he's not that much smarter than he thinks he is? He could be so much richer if he applied his knowledge through automation to all stocks in the world and pick the ones with "tendie" potential or am I over-simplifying things too much here, Geng?

[1]: https://github.com/search?q=stocks+trading+bot

> I know your position on SAE: "This company either goes bankrupt and I lose everything or it is going to be successful and I'll be a happy person."

Well, not exactly. Before that I 3x-ed my investment getting in front of the Uskmouth announcement. Did my own estimates and landed at 40 GBX, way below analysts estimates back then but fair enough, and made a good call. It was impossible, at least for me, to predict the fact that they wouldn't get Uskmouth done. The reason why I didn't sell was because of the CfD AR4 which I knew had a high chance of seeing a ring-fenced budget for tidal stream energy. And, as you say, my strategy here was all or nothing. In fact, any investment in SAE is play money. It was the riskiest company I was able to find with a pretty descent outlook and, what some people might arguably say, a "first mover advantage". Now after they sold their tidal division things start to get pretty foggy. Could still be a good investment in many more years than I was hoping for but the risk has certainly increased. No doubt about that.

Someone like you should know that there's plenty of people around who indeed try to move the value of a stock. Pump and dump schemas are a real thing. You'll have a hard time to move the price of Apple or Google stock, but it's a different story for a stock like SAE. Besides .. it does not matter if you "can" move a stock. That does not keep people from trying and posting their "thesis" on different forums in order to hype a small, sorry, "tiny" cap stock.

"War" was clearly metaphorically as in "you think you can win the war by calling me out for being at a loss with SAE (=the battle)". Yes, my aim is to make money but I'd prefer to see people making a case for the company and not its chart, clearly with the agenda to pump their position which they intend to sell anyway. I have nothing to gain if you intend to sell your position in a few days and it looks to me like you're not 100% honest here because.. why would you even share your opinion on a short lived break-out to 1.8 or 2.23 if not for letting other people know there could be some quick wins "for them" while in fact it's you who would benefit from it the most. It amazes me how transparent this is yet you shrug it off acting out "amazed" how people think comments on a chat board can influence the price.

This line of questioning is pretty much interesting, clearly avoids what I just said and therefore makes the point on its own. If at all, you'd have to ask me since when I'm invested in, what my reasoning behind it was and why I didn't decide to sell (aka why I am still in). I guess if I ask you now what's exactly your price target for SAE right now you'd sum up the first five fibonacci numbers and call it a day and couldn't even provide any reasoning behind it. Tell us, how far up will it go? Will it stay there? When will it come down again? That's a £8m market cap stock. Shouldn't be that hard to move the price a bit if you call up enough friends to pump it. Like I said, making money like this is surely possible but just don't pretend that what you're trying to do here right now is pumping your own position which you took before posting this.

I'd be more than happy to tell you about my position on SAE but you already made it clear that you'd just try to win the war by pointing out any potential loss I made. Probably not even asking about the rest of my portfolio. Since I could lie anyways, what's even the point man?

@Geng Take another guess. But let me say it that way: If you find enough traders who "see" the same pattern, and if they agree on the fact that it must go up now, then, especially on a stock like SAE, you can pull off a "pump and dump"-light and make some money on it. No doubt about that. I guess that's why you're here. To convince us things will break out for you to make a few % on your investment.

I thought so too but the bubbles on the floor of my coffee mug didn't perfectly align after I poured in a sip of milk. That's usually a signal for a sideways move. However, I'm only at my third cup today. I can see it go up if the next two align somewhat but there's also a reasonable chance for a turndown if I forget to shake the second one so.. to summarize there's a 33% chance of it going further up, 33% chance of it going down and a 33% chance of it going sideways. As always, there's a 1% chance that the chart goes up/down/sideways put decides to do that in the negative direction on the time axis.

Hm, I think if at all, it'll take years until this stock consolidates again. Still to many open questions. Maybe winning the next CfD as well will bring an uplift. Hard to say - but I wouldn't expect this stock to go 5 GBX anytime soon..

It was the whole point :P and it was intentionally not obvious ^^

Nobody cares which is indicated by this spread.

Ask: 0,029
Bid: 0.008
Spread: 0.021 (262%)

https://www.gettex.de/gettex-die-guenstige-und-schnelle-boerse/isin/SG9999011118/name/simec-atlantis-energydi/?token=b7ae6b1b8826df5599d1af724022d566

It's presumably something they have to RNS about. That's it. Uninteresting news. In the end, anybody who invested in the past, before things went below 10 GBX won't see any returns for a long, long time. Their debt won't go away, no matter what they update us about. This company probably won't be cash positive within a freaking decade. Good luck us all.

Dude, I mean.. seriously. I can deal with people who do not share my opinion etc but I'd never even think of telling or asking people to not share their opinion at all. I mean, obviously, you can't post whatever you want here, but if I want to share my doomsday scenarios here, that's perfectly fine. Same goes for your "always look on the bright side"-ish stance which has very little fundamentals most of the time imo. I'll make my point if I disagree or ignore it but I'd never ever have the idea to tell you "please stop spreading so much positivity because it doesn't help anyone".

Right. Unless SAE collapses before that day under its debt and the site Proteus acquires is MeyGen itself.

Here's some latin for you: nunquam retrorsum

The difference between SAE and Proteus is that SAE needs Proteus for their turbines. Proteus "does not have a site", is what I've been told on the phone. So.. the day Proteus gets a site, a site like MeyGen, what then? Raz Blanchard and Japan is in their hands now. What keeps them from getting their own sites?

And for what? For 0.5 million Pound? What exactly is the benefit again? They don't have to pay wages? My ass.. they're still going to pay those wages the moment they buy turbines from Proteus. Plus, this company is not going to do this for fun but surely wants to earn net-cash from their operations. So, again I ask, what exactly is the benefit for SAE here? How exactly does this make things "cheaper" for them? Just because another company has to carry the operation cost now does not make the turbines you buy from them cheaper. Am I missing something here?

.. I'm not ever going to consider buying a single share from them.

If they thought now was a turning point, then they'd surely invest themselves. But they don't.

Or @casapinos is right.

At this point there's good arguments on both sides. The company is vulnerable. The CfD is the absolute last bit of hope I see.

Next year we'll know whether or not SAE was able to secure additional funding in AR5 [1].

[1]: https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/contracts-for-difference-cfd-allocation-round-5

@Tidal_lover I keep asking this myself as well. How many people did now transition from SAE to Proteus and, most importantly, what is the rest of that company working on?

£0.5m after a decade of funding and development?

I don't know who the idiot is right now. Is it me/us.. or is it them? Am I/are we not seeing something straight?

How can it be, that they didn't have to take on some of SAEs debt at least?

Seriously.. how the fck does this "investment" make sense?! Is it "investment" as in "special military operation"? What in the bloody hell...

I see. Thanks for the information!

Let's just see. As you said, we've all told what we had to tell and concluded that nobody has an idea what this company is up to. Imo investing now is asymmetricaly risky (in a bad way) but well.. Nothing wrong with that. They should just know that it is.