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Saint, going to be honest, getting it out of my system now because I have every intention of joining many of my fellow shareholders who have packed in LSE. The levels of stupidity by some blows me away, and honestly the one thing I agree with from Vlads post is that those who cannot help but moan and trash the SP constantly should sell up and F off. Its toxic and we as a whole would be better off if those who held the shares actually believed in the company instead of moaning constantly.
F it -
Last post, REALLY tempted to post a load of racial abuse etc to get an actual ban but I use LSE for L2.....
Vlad/Hemoknowledge, Good luck ever doing a future placing, your complete and utter refusal to accept that your not perfect as a CEO means your not going to change and the market is not going to reward you with the chance to place again. Tough. Look forward to voting yes if there is a hostile takeover, ANY BIG PHARMA - MOST OF US WILL VOTE YES.
Everyone else - I remain available on the other channels, I remain a shareholder, its being run like a dog but the potential here is huge. Vlads going to be forced to licence this now because of his poor management, or move to the US, either way, this is not a sustainable SP and the company knows it. Bargain basement price which will bounce, would be more worried if they had lots of debt, but they have none, so someone will snap it up. Just Vote yes!
Good bye!
Grow up Micky, we have chatted in the past and when your calm you appreciate that none of your ranting is even remotely helpful. None of us are happy, just most of us dont go on the attack making things worse and posting attacks like that. Reality is posters like you, but mostly MrIndia are the target of the trolls and traders who short and attack. You both rise to the bait, you both do their jobs for them, is so pathetic and self destructive. What exactly have you achieved by attacking? Sweet FA, but you go ahead, if it makes you feel better. The ONLY way it helps you is if you have sold/shorted. As for ramped? HEMO ARE AT what??? 20mil??? Hemo has not been ramped/pumped/whatever its a bloody farce right now. Absolute farce, but you go ahead, call me names and blame everyone but yourself.
@Hemoknowledge it seems to me that you know a great deal about the science but have zero empathy or ability to grasp the mood and behaviour of the markets. Sadly alot like our CEO who is a fantastic scientist but when it comes to business? now up to 1.3bn shares an a valuation of 20m.
Its a shame you have to turn so abrasive, nothing in my post to you was a conspiracy theory, nothing. Simple fact, Hemo have released updates, get shorted, do discount placing, go quiet, never update website.
Have hoped and prayed that things would change, sadly it sound like you have zero intention of ever changing.
Well done Micky, if the shorters/traders who have "won" had to award a supporting act it would be a toss up between yourself and MrIndia.
Facts remain, sentiment has played a HUGE part here and your posts over the year have 100% benefited those attacking not those trying to support the company. So yea.... good job! And I dont care if it was not intentional, if you feel your more than entitled to express your opinion if your narrative ended up being correct etc, the reality is YOU HELPED, intentionally or not, by design or not IT DOES NOT MATTER.
Yea, well I dont believe anything I have written will have any positive impact on the share price :P
Roll on monday!
@Hemoknowledge I can point at lots and lots of pharma that update far less than Hemogenyx, they get traded alot less and are sitting at a much higher market valuation than Hemo. Their boards are dead as investors are happy to invest/hold and wait, I honestly do not know why Hemo has attracted so much hate/vitriol and trading over the years. But the fact remains that Hemo is sitting as a clinical pharma, about to start trials for a CAR-T treatment when every other equitable company with similar technology is in the 100s of millions.
I agree the updates of late were and have been very good HOWEVER the pattern of updates has allowed traders and shorters to pretty much decimate Hemogenyx. Every time there has been a very good update it has been followed by a placing, almost always resulting in the SP ending up lower than it was before the news was released. People now assume that Vlad only starts to release RNS's when he wants to do a placing, but yet it is now so predictable that the company would have raised much more raising BEFORE the RNS's. All those good updates that we have seen from the company? They might as well not exist.
The news about crossing the brain blood barrier? potential for Alzheimer's? Working with Government? None of this is discussed, ever, because it all gets drowned out by the immediate threat of placing, discussions about lack of finance and then the actual placing itself when it eventually lands after the shorters have managed to do the damage.
I am not asking for lots of updates, all I want is to go to the companies website and see "Oh they are clinical and they have CAR-T starting trials and CBR". I want the company to release an update because something interesting has happened NOT because they want to pump the SP for a placing. When the SP tanks 50% in a week for no reason I would like the company to behave like an AIM listed company and say "We are as surprised as you, no reason for this fall"
If the company gets some results for CBR? publish them, If Vlad goes to a conference? Tweet about it. Honestly its not about attacking the news the company has posted in the past, its about praying for a change in culture where Vlad WANTS to engage and bring investors along with him on the journey which right now is not happening.
@Hemoknowledge
You are speaking on a board with a lot of investors who have sunk a lot of money into a share that does not make sense. If this was AIM the recent drops in share price would have prompted the NOMAD to force the company to issue an update basically stating the drop was not a reflection of the company or progress. There are a few like yourself and Haywain who are clearly experienced in this field and know what timelines and progress to expect, for the remaining 99% they see nothing but silence being filled by trolls and traders who have a vested interest in driving FUD, fear and confusion.
When people see so much of their net worth get attacked and drop day after day you have to expect them to post in a less than flattering manner towards the CEO. Just because he and the board might be confident because they know intimately whats going on MOST of us dont and cannot share that confidence.
Personally? I am neither concerned or worried about the company as it stands, I believe there is enough money raised to get them into trials. However I feel if the PR and investor engagement was better handled then the Share price would be in a much better state and where as Vlad was only able to raise 3m having issued almost all the available headroom he could have raised much more for much less equity allowing faster accelerated progress on CBR and CDX. So I am frustrated and annoyed that the companies approach has been so "build it and he will come"....
My personal believe now is there is little point in posting, you post to support the SP and if Vlad is not going to change his approach to PR and the website then I shall not waste my time on here. That does not mean I have lost faith or have any intention of selling, but rather I believe at this point leaving the trolls to it will effectively force Vlads hand. We are in a state currently where placings are either impossible or basically pointless. The Valuation has tanked so far and the sentiment so low public placings will never now sustain Hemogenyx and this will force Vlad at some point to sell something whether he wants too or not.
Or who knows, maybe Vlad will update the website and start listening to investors and sentiment will improve, with it the SP? Probably not, hate to see CAR-T being sold cheap, but when the parent company is only valued at
Disregard my last :P Trying not to post until next week!
Going to give myself a 5 day ban, reality is for those of us with shares outside ISA, this price is wrong but its a gift, if you have not already used the 2023 ISA allowance and you have shares in a dealing account, get them bed and isa;ed. This farce wont last for ever.
Destiny Pharma look decent, but they are not comparable, their pipeline: https://www.destinypharma.com/pipeline/ is creams and treatments to reduce the chance of bacteria becoming resistant or getting infected. We are not talking cures for cancer which attract fees of several 100k per patient treated. That is NOT to dismiss the importance of such work, in particular preventing bacterial resistance is very important, but who is going to pay for it?
So you have products that really are nowhere near as valuable and they dont own the candidates any more, they have already licenced: an initial upfront payment of $1m; success-based development milestones of $19m; Substantially higher payments eventually when it gets NDA.
Sorry but CAR-T treatments dont licence for £1m up front and then £19m until its approved... They are 10s of millions up front leading to 500m+
Number of shares in issue is 1000000000% irrelevant, SP is 1000000000000000000% irrelevant, what you compare is market valuation, for DEST its £25m for Hemo its £21m. Not a huge gap, but when you consider that Hemo own 100% of CAR-T, CBR, CDX and Hu-PHEC? And EACH of those is an oncology CURE not a preventative cream or ointment? The disparity is clear.
Thank you Haywain for being a breath of fresh air :-)
Have in the past provided lots and lots of links to licences, JVs, partnerships and other deals in the 100s of millions to bn+ valuations for CAR-Ts with other pharma. There is alot of revisionism going on here with some trying to argue that value does not occur until the end of the trials, facts are facts. Most of the links I provided are for early clinical or pre-clinical deals where the agreements were signed before any patients treated or mostly IN phase 1 or 2. The money raised is to get clinical proof, NOT to complete all clinical trials, and thats good enough, that was always Vlads target before licencing as he has stated many times in the past.
Anyway, I would be ok if the SP stays around here until monday.
Easter fools day was yesterday
Keep it up until monday SScc et all!👍
At this point i think we would all prefer nothing good until next tuesday ideally...
Finishing early and off with the kids, hopefully next week brings with it better shade of blue and some news on the trials which we should be hearing about shortly.
RE the big trades:
1.25m @ 1.742, trade just before at 12:13 was a buy at 1.74 - So in theory would be a buy
1.5m @ 1.73 trade just before at 13:27 was a sell at 1.7225 - ABOVE the previous sell price so again in theory a buy
1.07m @ 1.74545 trade just before at 13:34 was a sell at 1.72 - Again higher than the sell price just before so in theory a buy
In reality its Brokers doing something, based on the delays, the settled price etc I am with Tilly, these are 3 shorts being closed. MMs happy to soak up any sells to let the shorters out with out losing their shirts. Disappointing, but in this market its the best we can hope for.
Double Alias???? I bloody wish, there are people on here with more aliases than I have had birthdays. There are groups of accounts that are used to ramp and groups that are used to deramp, bit like that scene in Diehard where they swap out the red and blue machine gun clips. The manipulation on this board is unlike anything I have ever seen on any other board. It does not help that the site itself is owned by Jarvis who get a back door into all the placings via Peterhouse. There are MILLIONS being made on these small caps, its professional and organised. I can vouch for a good few posters who I have spoken too on the phone or zoom etc but there are several who deserve to be in prison. On the plus side I have had positive communication from the FCA, it is something they are aware of and are looking into, but seems to moving very slow.
Sorry, its not a directors buy, they are in a closed period whilst they prepare the accounts, but its still a good sign, shorts could have doubled down and brought their friends to absolutely trash the forum, but they did not, they are closing and picking some other victim to annoy. The buys were always there they were simply deferred as shorts.
Look at the time, exactly the same as the 800k yesterday, moving in the right direction, suggestive of brokers closing off short positions, and a 500k popping up just now. Pretty clear its shorts closing off after having a bit of a bash, and complete coincidence, no relation at all... Funny we have not seen old moat today......
Remove the decimal place and I might get excited, until then?....
When a mommy and a daddy love each other very much sometimes the daddy uses his money to buy shares in Hemo.