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As I said. Only somebody suffering would continually deny reality. You have not been able to show any examples of where what I said is untrue. So, you get upset and throw around insults, it's been like this with you from day one.

“A person in denial rejects or avoids accepting reality because it's unpleasant or distressing. A person with anosognosia can't recognize the problem at all”. Sadly due to tory NHS cutnacks you'll have to go private.

I don't hate tories, they are selfish on the whole, but the leadership have relegated this nation to the second league.

Look in sumation, any fool can see that the UK has been hurt over the last 13 years. ANYBODY. That you still defend them is all that has to be said, and seen in your posts.

Still no posts about tory wins over 13 years., just deflection and insults. You're simply a tory cultist. Simple.

Tut Tut.

Havibg Opps...Having. (Touch typing was never my forte')

Warks.

You seem to be suffering sumwhat. Calm down and try to write in English.

"Her budget was never ejected! " What does that mean?

The reality is that though not enacted (is that the word you were looking for?) It caused a run on the pound which the BOE had to support. Speak to a finance person to get the heads up on that. I don't think that you are an accountant at all, you're possibly (or was) a Jnr bookeeper.

It's clear to all here that you (and your kind) are sad selfish little people. Living in a nasty little alternate universe, where only they matter and where everyone else is wrong. You are yet to show one example where 13 years of tory rule has provided anything other than desaster, but still you cling to your "supremacy". All you can do is lash out and insult others.

That is the real measure of whom you and most tories are, sad selfish empty people. No wonder it's called

"The Nasty Party".

Hear the news did you today?

The government has broken the law in allowing the continual dumping of raw untreated sewage into the rivers and onto the beaches. Who is supprised. Go on defend that!

PS.

See the "Stealth tax" caused by truss did you? You like those.

I'm seeing now that this exchange is havibg an effect on your mental state, unable to make congent arguments, you're just flailing and lashing about. I don't wish to upset those around you (they have enough to put up with), so I will sign off from this thread. I've made my point I think. 13 years and you could not post one tory success. How damming...Tut Tut.

Warks.

That is simply not true. The NHS has been buying PPE from British companies for decades. The tories ran down the stategic stockpiles to save storage costs. As was stated in the report.

As for your other comment, (I does confirm what I have always said about you). You are the person that needs help because even when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you still cannot step into reality and see the world for what it is. That is a condition I have set out for you below…

“A person in denial rejects or avoids accepting reality because it's unpleasant or distressing. A person with anosognosia can't recognize the problem at all”. Sadly due to tory NHS cutnacks you'll have to go private.

PS.

No doubt, you also supported liz truss "The quickest prime minister in the west" Remember her "mini" budget?

"Liz Truss's disastrous mini-budget cost the country a staggering £30bn – doubling the sum that the Treasury says will have to be raised by Jeremy Hunt this week in a huge programme of tax rises and spending cuts."

Thank goodness it wasn't a full one!

Over to you.

Wake up Mousey!

Re.. "world beating achievements "

You are a tory cheerleader, johnson was your guy, you suppoeted him no doubt. All his deals were allways "world beating" achievements.

If you don't decry it, you condone it. I've heard nothing else from you, thats for sure.

Well mouse, I have to follow your lead, do I not?

Still waiting for thoise "World beaters".....

. RE PPE...

Mousey, at the time, many UK PPE producers were being overlooked (remember the news). It turned out that all the contracts were given to tory's mates (some even pub landlords, remember?) who had no experience, and just bought cheap chinese crap which was never used. Remember that too? Only a corrupt simpleton would give PPE contracts to those with no experience. (And them elevate them to the House of Lords)!

I wonder how many died due to that little farce. Not a farce at all for those and families involved.

PS.

Who was it also that ran down the strategic stocks of PPE even after a NHS report said otherwise?

PS.

Though it's still very bad, the Birmingham shortfall is about £1 Billion. (It should be investigated and maybe heads should roll). Why don't you both make a fuss about the £5 Billion lost to scrapped PPE equipment. tuan, check with warks (he's an accountant, (apparently) so should be able to help you, 5 is bigger than 1. Quite a lot bigger actually...

WOLFOFWARKS & TUAN6

A note to both of you, I do understand how hard and frustrating this all must be for you both, but remember, all I post is able to be checked online. Whereas your childish playground personal insults just show all readers that you have nothing of import to relay. Notice, I only post in reply to yours, so as to give you plenty of time to try to get some sort of true information together.

BFN

Hey mouseofwarks...

I'm still waiting for a list of tory "World beating" acheavements during their 13 years in power.

I'll make it easy, just show three, there must have been three, after all thats only one every four and one third years. Just start with three......

"Don't confuse about that spent with policy from Labour party which is disaster for working class peoples. ULEZ is an show off to tell peoples how Labour party take power and more bad things to come".

Do you EVER think before you post? How deep down the rabbit hole of cult stupidity does one have to be to be so "Self sure" of the future (why did you not look into the future and short Evraz stock then?) as to "think" you know how a 13 year out of power party will perform? I am not confused, I am simply reading numbers from reports. You on the other hand are using your crystal ball to foresee the future! I spat my coffee out! LOL!

How many of johnsons (never to be built) 41 NEW hospitals would that have paid for? (200% of them) All helping the British public and reducing waiting lists in the NHS. How many new scanners to diagnose cancer early?

How many tax cuts for the poorer would that have been?

How much public transport infrastructure, so nobody need take a car into London?

It would have bought nearly 2 MILLION electric cars, they could have offered them for FREE! (unlikely though :))

The list could go on and on, as all reading this will attest.

How many people would have a 65 retireing age and not one of 67. Please, unless you says something real, just don't bother.You're simply showing yourself up.

"The defence budget..“2022-2023 is to reach a total of £52.8 billion ($67.8 billion), according to newly released MoD figures".

Think about it.

What brain dead moron would think that an unproven and untried "Track and Trace" system (using a Microsoft PC based application) would be worth approxamatly 60% of the ANNUAL DEFENCE BUDGET! Just think about it!

Well it was the whole tory cabinet! (But never mind, it was going to a ministers wife's company!)

“Safe in their (tory) hands”.

Grant Shapps was just appointed Secretary of State for Defence. He was so good at his last job, he was in post from 7 February 2023 to 31 August 2023.

“New Defence Secretary Grant Shapps blunders by saying RAF operates Britain's aircraft carriers (it’s the navy) and doesn't know how many ranks the army has - as he insists he won't give up posting on TikTok despite security fears”. (The daily Mail).

Previous government posts…

Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero. February 2023 - August 2023

Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy. October 2022 - 7 February 2023

Home Secretary October 2022 - October 2022

Secretary of State for Transport July 2019 - September 2022

Parliamentary Under-Secretary July 2015 - October 2015

Minister of State (Department for International Development) May 2015 - November 2015

Minister without Portfolio September 2012 - May 2015

Minister of State (Communities and Local Government) (Housing) May 2010 - September 2012 Commons

The defence budget..“2022-2023 is to reach a total of £52.8 billion ($67.8 billion), according to newly released MoD figures, which also revealed that the cancellation of a key armoured vehicle program meant a hefty chunk of British military funds — £473 million ($607 million) — was lost”.

So he now controls a vitally important national department with a spend of £53 Billion this year. A man so capable that many of his jobs last less than a year.

Dominic Raab ‘persuaded PM he could stay on holiday’ in Afghanistan crisis

"Report raises further questions over foreign secretary as Tory ex-minister says UK should have stood up to US over withdrawal.2

“A former defence minister has said the UK failed to “stand up” to the US over the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, amid more questions about Dominic Raab’s holiday-induced absence last weekend.

Raab, the foreign secretary, has faced repeated demands to resign for remaining until Monday on a family holiday in Crete while the Afghan government collapsed, and delegating tasks to junior ministers.

The Sunday Times reported that Raab had been told on the Friday that he should return to the UK, but that he persuaded Boris Johnson he could stay in Crete for two more days. According to the report, officials felt that Raab “nobbled” the prime minister into agreeing.

The same report said another Foreign Office minister, Lord Ahmad, whose role covers south Asia, was also away until last Sunday on a holiday in the UK.

So, not only were rabb and armad happy to be on holiday as people ran for their lives, but johnson cleared them to be so.

Abject.

What does the thread title say? I am simply posting rebuttles to the constant non Evraz related stream of tory propaganda spouted by certain posters here. Sorry that it's not to your liking. I won't stop posting the reality unless they stop posting 13 year old irrelevancies. It is a thread I started simply as a reply to their bullying one carrying my name. If you look at thread history, you will see it is the case. What is fair for one should be fair for all.

"So, neither side at this point in time have achieved their political objectives through military means," Milley said, "and the war will continue until one side or the other has achieved those means, or both sides have determined it's time to go to a negotiating table [because] they can't achieve their objectives through military means. "And that time is not yet."

My views are very simple. They are called reality.

I have asked a multitude of times for the people who decry labour (or anything other than Tory) actions to show objective evidence of tory successes. (Forget the pastiche ones they mention, as we all know their practice), as there have been few. 13 years is a very long time to have so few to show and still object to others ideas. Simple question to you. Why do they do it?

I have said, I don't vote labour, who I vote for is of no import here, I am asking for results from the people who continually push a tory agenda, and push tories as being the best for the nation. That is all. I wish to give them a chance

Can you tell me where you have come into this thread? As I see it, you are simply a distraction, muddying the waters that are very clear. warks and tuan6 push tory agenda's and object to those trying to show reality. If I am incorrect simply show where what I have said is untrue.

I live in a tory constituency, they do a reasonable job considering the constraints placed upon them. My beef is with the leadership, and cabinet and many of their MP's, and the direction they are taking this nation. Their incompetence, their lies, their corruption, their selfishness, their waste of public money, their nepotism and amongst many other things their support for the elite minority. They have no care or desire to care for the majority of British people. They have moved so far to the right as to be, even to many older tories, in effect fascists (with a small F) I don't hate them per se, I just support my country. How anybody can support the present tory governments and what they have become is beyond me. It does not take a genius to see the issues, but whilst there is a blind, pig headed group who put party before country it will be like this for many years.

Warks also

warks.

Who set up this thread? Not you or one of your tory mates?

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RE: JOTOM9 Sep 2023 18:53

The ULEZ charge is a taster of what's to come .... tax by the back door. proper reminded me of Gordon Brown. He'd drop income tax by 1p and then stick 2% on NI and hail it as a tax cut.

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“RE: WOLFOFWARKS & TUAN6Today 09:35

Yep Jotam is not someone you could have any kind of meaningful and intelligent debate with as evidenced by the setting up of this thread.”

Warks. Why don’t you approve of people treating you and your mates in the same way that you treat them? Could it be tory exceptionalism?

Why don’t you ever come up with any objective evidence to support your posts?

Warks.

It's really easy.

1 Stop deflecting.

2. Post evidence (with numbers, you're an accountant remember) of any important successes of the tory party, over the last thirteen years. (I would say two per year would be enough).

Then and only then can people compare relative abilities of the parties in question.

Until then you and your kind are simply blowing smoke, insult, act dumb or otherwise ignore the whole thing.

"WolfofWarks has defended the Tories but has accepted shortfalls/failings whilst highlighting previous shortfalls/failings under a Labour government and concerns of what a future Labour government would do. He/she comes across as relatively balanced in their opinions."

Show where that is the case.

Also

Show where anything I have said is untrue.