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well done shorters you chased him off, bit at a loss now he has gone though I bet!!!
Why would they sell the business off .... surely you guys who have done everything in your power to get this situation should be extremely happy, you have been predicting this and on every rise coming out in force to crash the price and lose honest people money... well done guys! ohhh! you mean you did all that and you did actually have shares in the company hahaha hahaha RAL!!!! that is so funny! got a taste of your own medicine. Sorry if I feel no empathy for you De-rampers deserve everything you got! you deserve it. 35% down now. The number of people you caused to lose money through your constant negativity and driving the price down.... admittedly I really cant believe you actually deramped your own share while you had money in it... that would seriously be one of the most dumb assed things anyone could do. I would suspect that HD was actually RP or RP told them as loyal followers what he was doing so they could get out first and bag you lot.
Reality check.....
1. As far as we know oil still pumping
2. Canbs store selling,
3. have a business producing high quality gear at a higher yield.
All together now definitely worth more than the companies share valuation.
Three options
1. Continue the business and concentrating on trading the Hemp
2. Split it up, A buyer will pay good money for each part leaving a shell company or return money.
3. Buy out where the price will be driven up to a fair price. Expect a lot of buying at the very low price
4. Declare the shutting down of the business which as 2 will be split up and sold off and money returned to share holders after covering all debts.
All options offer a good increase on the share price. down 35% is way over done. So what if RP has left??? Now an investor or CEO can take over and take this forward. The Kind is dead, long live the King!
You can see here who are shareholders and who are rubbing salt like vultures circling and laughing ..... personally I sold out a long time ago, could see what the scammers and de-rampers were doing. I was right! The price will rebound tomorrow like most shares hat have over done their falls.... the company is not bankrupt! nor any where near it.
Maybe they realised the XDiv would have a big effect so left the buy backs and do double tomorrow, drive price back up again
I must admit I am counting on it
well done Snige smarter than I
Wouldn't have a clue how to short.... I am not that unethical to try. But getting burnt anyway! as are most honest investors. Obviously you are a shorter!
Admittedly I hate Motley Fool, scammers and just total rubbish,
I must admit I do actually agree with you. I am looking at this share and it seems to be forced down despite heavy buying. I loathe to walk away with a loss here, but I think it is still a shorters paradise, the scourge of the stockmarket world. Really they should ban it. I have been on some site where everytime good news out a hoard of shorters are out (probably multi accounts ****ging the company and forcing down the price in every way possible.... revolting vermin. goes against anything decent and moral. IMHO
Be nice to 740 today,
Great news thanks 8 pound would do me nicely for now! thanks for letting me know.
Thanks for that info, it just seems very strange that they are buying up so many shares at lower prices which may be just advantageous. The price has gone up over last couple weeks but really..... I was in this share when they did a buy back and it was leaping a 50 to a 100 now it is ending in negative territory....
Why do you think that is? that is a question not a sarcy remark because I really do ot understand!! we hit 750 last week and now hitting 707 this week,
think that answers your statement, Not sure that the company isnt shorting its own shares as well, screw the investor to make company gains buy at cheaper prices. Or maybe they are just unable to beat the shorters. It should be banned to be honest as unfair practise and allow shares to trade as they used to based on market conditions and trading. But what do I know!!
Lloydie are you a moron, I think you will find there are actually some educated and seasoned investors here not just imbecilic txxts who are hell bent on destroying this companies share price, so are you JJAL, Blacksheep or which other account? Why would you follow the share price, the share price bares no semblance to the real value of this company and on many occasions this company has jumped 15 to 25% in one day. do we follow the share price then?????
seriously, take your advice and get out!! This company is now moving forward and you know it hence the multiple accounts and so frantically trying to drive the price down, it must be really frustrating for you seeing the company now starting to move forward having developed now two clear successful business models that are generating income. When oil is down the seeds will grow the business, when oil is up the company will develop a strong balance sheet. we are not losing on oil as we gain 7.5% with no cost pure profit. You really are unbelievable. any way I have filtered JJAL and Blacksheep (very apt name and a couple of others, thought I had done you also ..... will do now!!! I notice a lot of people have filtered you and all your accounts out..... See you at 30p a share.
by the way can see PMO hitting the 50s with weaker demand. hope not but it is possible!
good luck on that one, I am reading all the reports including oil.price.com and every source except the NY herald I think it is is saying that oil is heading lower and lower and 50s is a likely stop some say 40. Admittedly the Economic logic behind this happening is difficult to understand as most countries need 60 to maintain their budgets, as the price falls so the frackers will drop off as it becomes un feasible to maintain any profit. already USA is building up a reserve, at these prices companies will be buying like crazy leaving higher prices vulnerable to limited interest in buying. also non producing countries will be buying leaving large reserves and limited demand. measure the two and it does not pay to have low prices so Opec / SA and RU etc will need to cut production to decrease supply . Iran has tried to help but no one takes them seriously.... hardly surprising!
It is going to be a interesting few weeks, with likelyhood of lower prices as investors sit on the sidelines watching.
The share price has been up as today as a amjor deal has been done. Products are now out in the market place, people are buying not for what happened years ago. They are buying because this company and this BOD has put together a major deal and there are more deals being negotiated and finalised as I write. A report will be out very soon on new business as we all know. The reason they have not moved on the oil is shown by the oil price today... oil is volatile and the Opportunity Cost would suggest the better deal would be the plants as this is a strong and massively expanding market NOW! read any report including government ones. Look at companies already in this market place as they rise like shooting stars. They made the correct and the most prudent decision as proven by the markets today. HNR is one of the very very few companies rising in a crashing market. If recession hits where will people turn to HNRs product........ if it does not his where will people head, HNRs product! they have a win win situation and they can only grow from here in!!!
Classic answer JJAL no substance all negative and all cxxx. hahahaha! you really do not have a clue! nothing you sayb has any value just bla bla bla. I gave you an opportunity to prove your actually knowe what you are talking about but you just could not do it!!! you are the one no can take seriously and you have just proved it beyond any doubt. give up! and start reading the facts not your fantasy!
Why would you be talking of raising money, there is no evidence whats so ever! there are two areas of business now and these are both earning money. There is no evidence they are planning on any other projects. They are still selling the crops (successfully). This requires time not vast amounts of money. The sales made from oil and the new deal put in place will more than cover expenditure on delivering new sales.
Obviously another ploy by the negatives to try and hit the price.... duh!!! you are so dull and lack imagination.
Okay, the combination of negative boarders that make up DuKe! Show us the evidence you have that HUR are running out of money and that they are about to do a fund raise. clear factual answers please, not the usual cxxx that comes from your corner. state reasons 1, 2 and 3. Yes it is a fact you hate RP and you hate HNR, but why are you trying to hurt other investors, what have they done to you??? what is with this endless crusade to damn the company. results are results and sales are sales, you are going to lose as the company is now MOVING FORWARD!! FACT!!! new sales info. will be coming through probably this week if the previous RNS is anything to go by.
Come guys show us your evidence or stay away and leave the real investors here to grow. Go chat with RP and solve your differences like decent intelligent people rather than these constant attacks.... based on nothing! Diamond JJAL etal
Haha JJAL just winding you up, but glad I hit a chord. Why would they put out financial statements now? Business has only just been developed, if they put out financials without knowledge of facts on sales then people jump on them for lying! They have to be very careful what they put out in print.
They will make announcements once developments have come to fruition, financials will come out as of when the sales start to happen, they will be selling to the retailer, but the retail has to push the product and get it off the shelf to replace it. With this type of product it will be a lot easier to sell due to demand, they need to allow the sales to start which will be slower to start like any new product and then sales will grow and grow, products will need to develop a following to become a 'Star'.
Yes I am happy sales have gone through. Sitting their crying wah! wah! wah! my shares have risen over 14% oh my God what can I find negative here! just does not fit me, I leave this for guys like you, There is a vast amount of work to be done here, but it has started. No one knows the figures, but the point is there will be figures as sales are taking place.... much to your shagrin.
BS well done you can copy! you could just refer back to points, and yes I too have seen this share go up and down and understand how you feel, but the reality is business seldom goes the way you expect, often, any business has to change direction, but many do not and end up going under. RP and their team work on a project and of course they expect it to work, it does not so they stop and 'move on'. This is very SMART business and shows they are looking out for the company.
The share price is determined not by RP, nor the board, nor the new business. nor the money the business earns infact there is little synergy between what the business does and the price of the share. Used to be, but now we are dealing with unscrupulous shorter's, people putting out false information to sway the price especially in a company that has limited information as they are too small, economic factors that affect the sector, the country, or even a completely different sector to where our company lies, currency rises, political changes, institutions, the market makers and other share firms, investment magazines and share boards infact the list of things that affect a shares price goes on and on including force feeding negative sentiment. This is why there is not a steady rise or movement in the share price there are big peaks and troughs in shares like HNR. one small piece of news can send the price flying especially when there are few shares and fewer shareholders. The price of the share will most likely rise next week up to the announcements and we probably will hit 9 pence a share again and maybe 10 then it will probably fall again, but not because of HNR, RP or the BOD!!!
Esski, JJAL BS. and the rest of your gang, you are wrong, admit it!
You said RP can not be trusted
You said there were no deals, he did not care, he is only in this for the money he gets from shareholders
You said the company are out of money and would be asking for more
None of your predictions were correct infact RP has just slapped you across the face with his gauntlet and made you eat your words...... There is nothing you can say that will have any meaning!!! just blabla bla!
Sorry guys/girls what the share price does is not down to HNR or the team, it is down to negatives and market makers ONLY! they are doing their job, they just proved this! rise of 20& is nothing the SP is so far below its actual value it has a lot further to go,
End of! lets look forward to the next deal! I look at this for what it is. There is no negative, negative is in the dark minds of those sad and lonely people who have nothing to do but scorn and scold, there is no love or happiness in their hearts nor raison d'etre. Honestly do some Tai Chi, Yoga, look out at the beautiful blue sky and instead of seeing darkness, anger and hatred see love happiness and possibilities. You might be happier people.
Again there is no guarantee the share will rise to 15 to 20 but 10 to 12 should be pretty certain. the good news tells us that HNR are moving forward, deals are coming in and this will affect revenue and profit. Do not really care about projections... RP has all that in their sales plan and what ever the plan it appears to be working... enjoy the moment!
Okay, here we go, now lets look at this logically,
Oil price is up.... Increased revenue with no costs. tick the box good for HNR
Has RP and co been out getting sales, yes! we have the RNS today showing t6he test were successful and we are now selling products. Will that increase revenue Yes tick the box.
Is the Share price up? of course it is. Based on the oil alone with revenue and potential valuing the company as at least twice this companies current value even after the rise today. Then add the sales of Canbs. I am not sure but I believe we were working on at least three different retailers so with one in the bag the others should fall in the bag quite quickly.
Naturally a little profit take and breather but should continue rise later today. Negatives will come out in force, but be honest what can they say.... 5 years ago RP lied don't trust him.... yeh yeh! He has just proven he can be trusted and that he is earning his money by bringing deals. Fair play to him and his team and congratulations.
By the way are we selling in Dollar changing to sterling or buying in Sterling. As company is in USA then probably selling in Dollar. ummmm me thinks there will be another profit made there as sterling falls. obviously the Sterling value of the assets has also gone up a lot over the last couple of weeks and longer as the dollar worth of the assets converted to sterling has risen giving us a stronger balance sheet and asset value.
This price is driving up today. this is not ramping it is simple logic based on the facts I have put forward. This company is worth between 15 and 20 pence a share minimum based on the current valuation Vs the current business in place. Ther is not a whiff of money being required, infact HNR have an increased income stream.
So negatives produce evidence or shutup whining! The price is rising and will continue.
Just noted someone stating his income was 417 thousand, if that is this year then that would be extremely low for any Director of a listed company, if for month then after taxes he is not really on a large salary, so I guess that is not so bad. I guess the question is has he deserved the money. Well far as I remember the company has tried a range of projects to try and bring the company money including selling water, and a number of other things which are no longer mentioned. We now seem to be down to the oil which does seem like a sweet deal making money of someone else's sweat even if it is only 7.5% it is better than keeping money in the bank.
It is correct that most Canaboid/hemp companies are valued considerably more than HNR on the market generally in the states and Canada. To be fair though the people in those countries understand the value of the crop. In Canada you go to the Niagara escarpment where much of the wine making is done (this is the area I live) many of the wine acres have turned to growing Canbs.(currently working in China so have to be careful what I write). They are raking the money in demand is over double supply, just can not produce enough (thanks to Trudeau..... granted go to close by city Hamilton and you can see the effects of it... more like a CSI movie with murders, rapes and attacks police and ambulances and fire engines for that matter almost every night. Trudeau is coming up for re-election early next year, one wonders what the next leader will do as I am sure Liberal Trudeau will be out... maybe a reversal though there may be riots in the streets. Yes the Govt are making massive amounts in taxes but social, police, health and other emergency services costs have also grown enormously and can not keep up with demand.
I am not sure you can say it is a scam his bonus, he is the director of the company and as long as shareholders agree he will get it, if they agree it means he deserves it in the eyes of the shareholders, the beauty of democracy (which believe me living in Chnah) you soon come to respect.
The price may fall a little further but it will rise again and when the price the 12s again many will sigh a relief and talk of 20. The negatives will talk about this fall for the next 20 years as their reason why RP is so bad and try talking the price down again. nothing will change, but RP will have earned his bonus! He has done an enormous amount, and has seen when something is not working and changed direction. we are now down to two main areas and even if he does not sell Nitrogen then he will improve the plant yields thus increase revenue. Oil is bringing revenue and when more spare cash comes in I am sure he will up the number of wells to 16... pointless now as the price of oil is too low. and not looking like it will rise ... infact more the opposite with Brent and WTI in low 60s and 50s it would not be cost effective. So invest into the area that is growing Hemp! i will buy at 5.9 or on a ris
Ummmm! not sure what is happening here but sounds like HNR BOD are giveing themslves or rather RP is giving himself a nice big bonus. Now one can see why the shares are falling so badly. Where is the 400,000 coming from? Guess that is to pay for the losses he has made on his shares. Smart move really from his perspective. I must admit there does sound like some foul play going on here... which I really hope is not true... for the die hard HNRers. may be he intends to buy ore shares with it and with the next RNS the shares will fly. must admit even the most ardent supporters must be questioning this logic with no info on the company and with Canbs not yet earning revenue in any valid level. He really should not have put this bonus forward without first showing the successes for the company, falling from 13 to 6 in weeks is not bonus material imho