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M3

I suppose proto investors could always join the telegram group for an unbiased view on the company's past performance, current status, and future prospects.......

Daz

Nope, they gave me a discount which I used to buy shares, but only on the condition that I get a discount on then next products I buy from them even though I'm not contractually required to do so, just in case the product Bezos delivered didn't actually meet the specification we had agreed on.....

Oh, you forgot the hockey stick, by the way.....

Ahhh.....so it truly is "JAM TOMORROW!"

Except tomorrow never comes.......

Anybody heard anything about the Frank Cooper thing that someone mentioned a couple of weeks ago, or was that just another flight of fancy someone putting two and two together and getting a “this is just up AFC’s street” wishful thinking event (of which there have been many….

Just would like a little substance….for s change…

Looks like the Ubers are getting rattled again…..all this great news (government match funding, but no idea of the matching ratio, speedy JV but no idea of the terms, so called successful delivery to ABB, and them making a massive investment using YOUR money, all those kettle boilers out on trial on non commercial terms - consideration in kind- what’s that when it’s at home) and the market really isn’t impressed enough to shift the price to any great extent….anybody starting to think that the CEO isn’t the messiah, he’s just a naughty boy…..

Is reality dawning, perchance?

Oh, sorry, forgot, the great secret squirrel jam tomorrow plan was probably given to all of those attended, so that’s alright then……

Ahhh…the deluded apologist comes out of the woodwork…..what kind of grip on reality do you have, B3, you keep batting on about electrodes and electrolytes or whatever (funny, last time you had a bit if a turn, it was membranes) when the whole thing about me getting dazed and confused is a complete figment of your fevered imagination….probably just more wishful thinking…..

Just ask yourself who the bright ones are, those who’ve expressed doubt all the while the share price has imploded (funny, seems like the market kind of agrees with us) or the rabid denialists who just can’t see anything but jam tomorrow?

Oh, and was the system successfully delivered? What was the nameplate capacity requirement and what was actually delivered? You don’t know what the nameplate capacity actually is, because we haven’t actually been told because of the change in narrative in the RNS (cumulative output definition, anyone?)

And the irony is the AFC are inter alia teamed up with a company that appears to be having a laugh at the whole fuel cell thing....Anybody bothered to ask Speedy how the fuel cell is going to be integrated into the unit?

Goat & Ginge

Sorry to burst your smug little bubble, but I suspect Daz was being ironic......

Xc

As you're the resident investing genius here, how do you see the structure of the JV panning out? I'm pretty certain you won't comment because I suspect you wont have a clue on how these things actually work, but more importantly won't want to put anything in writing that could be proven wrong, either at this point in time (which is probable) or in hindsight (which is probably certain)

Anyway, enough of the silly chatter, on to more serious matters......anyone have any ideas on how the financial mechanics of the Speedy JV will be set up?

I'd love to hear people's views on the possible structures that could be employed.

Xciting

So you can afford to lose yours.....so I guess you've invested in about £27 worth of shares then....prime example of a keyboard warrior who actually know zip about the subject he's posting on, but makes up for it with ill informed bluster, and when called out, reverts back to type and goes straight into the big pot of vitriol....

Xciting

Really not sure you're particularly well placed to give advice on what shares to hold, and wonder what makes you think you have the right to do so.

Looking at the bile you've been spewing at other posters, it might be a good idea if you were to invest in a chill pill manufacturer, because there are obviously anger management issues there...why is that so? are you sat on a large loss at present perchance?

Long memories remain sceptical. as is our right, because, as of this precise moment in time, we have yet to be proven wrong......

Bright

products = fuel cell generators for construction sites and 200 kw fuel cell to open up marine, data centres and off grid charging . Bespoke system design

Yup, you got me there....remind me, how far down the development route are we on any of these, and how are the sales lead progressing?

Place= construction sites, extreme E races in very challenging climates

Yup, you got me there.....anyone placed an order for a kettle boiler yet? what about H2 ICE generators? you know they're being worked on, right? As for EE, well, that went well, didn't it?

Promotion = numerous articles in many trade magazines which influence key decision makers. Visits by various delegations including a Japanese one

Yup, you got me there....don't forget the web presence..."coming soon!" "available to order!" and all that....as for the decision makers, they will make the decisions based on what the thing can do, and at the moment, that aint a lot.....

Price= at the moment it’s the great unknown however we were told that they were seeking to reduce the costs of production by 50% and to also use carrier fuels as hydrogen prices are high in the UK compared with some parts of Europe.

Yup, you got me there......lets face it, if the company were to miraculously get an order for 50 amazing towers of power with a 50KW output, then the CEO's remuneration cost per unit would amount to £16,000 per unit.... the going rate for a 50KW genset is £16,000.....numbers simply don't stack up.....and that's assuming that the company could develop and sell 50 such units..

If I was as unhappy about the way that Afc are doing business I would sell up and move on. Your fixation on the discounted deal with ABB is just boring most readers of this board.

Just as the Ubers see it as their right to protect all potential investors from a cabal of posters who all work for the evil shorters (oh, really?). I feel it is my destiny to continue to seek clarity in what the company is doing so that the veil of spin and obscurity can be lifted...

At the moment I’m frustrated that the share price is so low but I recognise the progress that has been made. The matched government grant of up to 4 million pounds plus the speedy hire jv adds to my confidence that this company has a great future. Of course nothing is guaranteed but I’d rather invest my money here in a green energy company than collect dividends from fossil fuel and tobacco firms. Maybe that makes me a muppet in your view but names never hurt me.

And there we have it. We are all invested here, as opposed to the BFP portfolio because we hope that the tech will make a difference, It may well be that the current developments are transformational for the company, and if they are, then great, because we may then see a share price recovery, but the history of this company is a litany of overpromise and under delivery, coupled with many "next big thing" diversions leading nowhere, so it is understandable that those with

Xcite

Actually, I'm quite happy of disposition. I'd be even happier if the company I'm invested in offered a little more transparency. If you're quite happy to accept everything at face value, and hope for the best, then that's your right. Conversely, it's my right to look for the substance behind the spin, of which there has been very little over the last 16 years or so....

Bright….

Thanks for that, I had totally undercooked that fundamental of business…Muppet…..the ABB giveaway has nothing to do with the four p’s, it’s more to do with desperation because they cannot afford for ABB to walk away, which they could quite easily do, of the contractual performance metrics hadn’t been met. Note the change of narrative on that particular issue…..

Bright……..awaiting your resposte……where can I get an AFC / ABB club card….

Bright

Love the analogy……so does this mean that when you rock up to Tesco, waving your magic card, and ask them to bake you a cake that should cost £40.00, they say, “oh go on then, have the cake for £20.00, and buy Tesco shares worth £20.00, and have a discount on future cakes” because that’s exactly the deal that ABB have…..now that truly is a wonderful club card….

I wonder how many free shares Speedy are going to get.......lets face it, the last time someone "bought" a unit from AFC, they got a 50% discount that was taken as shares (at the4 shareholders expense).....

"Not conspiracy theories, just speculation, same as what you have posted. Nobody knows the actual reason, it's all speculation and anyone could be right"

Wow! never saw a sensible comment coming from that direction......of course he's right....without inside knowledge, no one knows jack about what's going on in any company, and everything is purely speculation....some may speculate that AFC are on the cusp of greatness, some may speculate that they're on the cusp of not a lot, and that what's been spouted by the CEO and his sycophants is baloney, but neither is right until proven so, and on that basis, let's all just keep on speculating.....after all, who would have speculated that the EE involvement that many touted as the second coming would turn out to be just a "tin pot electric car race" as para quoted by someone not long ago.....