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Surf

But has anyone bought one yet, what did they "pay in kind" to use them, and are they still using them?

Looking at the amazing tower of power sat on the back of the lorry, I suppose they could always re purpose them as portaloos if they find out that the gubbins inside them doesn't work...

B3

If you disagree with the stance a particular poster takes, then should you not be able to provide evidence to support your stance? Your view is that the company is well on track for delivery of a truly commercial product, but that stance flies in the face of the complete litany of over promising and rose tinted view of the situation as promoted by the company and lapped up by the converted, I'm simply asking you to provide some form of evidence to support your stance.

you wont though, because we know that you can't.....

B3.

Yup, you win, we all know that AB hasn’t said that each of the last 9 years has been transformational. You got us there, but what we do know is that over those 9 years he has failed to deliver a single product that has been proven to be saleable or commercially viable. You challenge others to provide proof in support of their statements, I challenge you to provide proof of delivery of a single product on truly commercial terms.

Bright

Huge hire companies can struggle to sell a commercially non viable product as well.

The largest construction companies may well be committed to net zero, but there are many ways of achieving this, but lets not forget, being committed to something and actually achieving it are two different things, especially if going off on a quixotic tilting at windmills drive for net zero costs the shareholders.

Basically, the most salient word in your last post is the word

IF

And that's the key to the whole debate.

Ade

Rolex don't make an £80K watch.....at least make your nonsense remotely credible....

Ade......are you doing voice to text through some kind of idiot filter.......

I await the RNS setting out the terms of the JV with interest….

Daz

Theses no doubt that the terms of the JV will be agreed, no matter how skewed in Speedy’s favour simply because it’s an absolute buyers market, because AFC are desperate to be seen to be selling something / anything, and this is just another smoke and mirrors way of keeping the balls in the air….my prediction for the form of this JV will be that AFC will sell a number of units into the JV, Speedy will put in an equal amount “in kind” (just like the muppets testing the kettle boilers did, so that it didn’t cost them anything) and then lo and behold, Speedy get a share option off the back of it (a bit like the ABB compensation)….ubers will get all moist about sales (with no thought about whether the “sales” actually generate bottom line) and tout the share option as a great tie in with a top flight company and the catalyst for jam tomorrow….but we won’t know anything about how it’s all panning out until 21 months after the kick off, by which time it will have withered on the vine…..but that will be fine and dandy, because we’ll be closer to developing the holy grail, and ABB will have bought their discounted 10 units at a knock down loss leading price, so all good then…..

Klunk

Ready for sale and saleable / commercially viable are two different things.

B3

Has anyone ever told you that repetition doesn't strengthen an argument, just makes you look unhinged....

Hahahah!

Priceless.....B3 saying that JN id a bright guy..........suppose its all relative......

Daz

I've been looking for a word to describe the nature of any information coming out of AFC, and you've hit the nail right on the head....ambiguity. Nothing is ever certain or transparent where this company is concerned, and this veil of ambiguity appears to act as some kind of economic reality filter for many.

The problem with ambiguity is that it does give scope for differing interpretations of a situation, so all I would say is, if any sceptic posts something that casts doubt on the chances of success of this venture, then don't shoot the messenger, but look towards the root cause of the problem, which is the lack of transparency demonstrated by the company.

B3

Just pressin buttons dear boy.....

JN

What irony? You made it clear that it was a hypothetical question (who in their right mind would think that the company could secure a £10M order in the first place)

Obviously the share price would reflect this, and obviously being able to achieve this order would mean having to have a commercially viable product, which at the moment is purely hypothetical at the moment, so the irony is actually that there are two hypotheticals at play here......

I do sometimes wonder why you are so heavily emotionally invested here that you post in the way you do......

B3

Take a look at yourself.......you're beginning to look like a conspiracy theorist loon.....haven't you quite twigged that neither I, or anyone else really cares about whether I know what a membrane, catalyst, electrode or whatever is, only you.....

JN

what precisely are you on about? If the company were to announce that it had an order to deliver £10M worth of product on commercially viable terms then OF COURSE that would have a positive effect on share price, and OF COURSE I would be absolutely delighted. The problem is, though, in order to even get such an order, the company would need to be able to demonstrate that it actually has a commercially viable product that can actually deliver what it says on the tin, which, to date it has spectacularly failed to do.

If you recall, way back in the day, the initial; idea was that the fuel cell offering was meant to be an on demand supply, which would act as a mechanism that could turn a non on demand energy supply (electricity from renewables) into an on demand supply....which would be very elegant......Turbine > electrolyser > H2 > fuel cell > electricity...absolutely lovely and as green as green can be.

From these dizzying heights of aspiration, we now have very modest units that aren't capable of producing anything of note without the aid of a battery storage add on, meaning that the unit has effectively gone from one demand to what is to all intents and purposes, a trickle charger. This change in tack is in fact quite material, and fundamentally alters the nature of the offering, not that anyone in the uber camp is likely to either have noticed, or be prepared to admit it.

If and when the company gets a commercially viable order, then I'll be the first to say well done, but until the company passes that acid test, then I'm afraid the jury must surely be out.......

Oh, and B3..........broken record time again........you really are starting to sound like an obsessive loon.....there's no evidence to support your contention that I don't know how one of these things works, so I must have deleted something.... how about something that shoots down your contention was found and mysteriously deleted....cuts both ways fella.....

JN

Troll or someone who tells the uncomfortable truth….

The quote by Jack Nicholson in a few good men springs to mind….the only difference being that “you don’t actually want the truth”

JN.

Before getting all hissy because someone says something you can’t disprove, why not have a detailed look at all of the RNS releases over the last 10 years and find just one thing that’s been released with great fanfare that’s actually been delivered as sold to the mug punters……

At the point that the company actually delivers something concrete I might just cut it a bit of slack, but until then, it’s business as usual, as much as you don’t like it….

How about trying something different and actually debating a subject for once…..

B3 / Pommygit

I have no need or intention to report, what would that achieve? Quite happy to have the tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber tag team show themselves up…..

Oh, I’ll say it for you, to save you time…..I don’t know the difference between an electrode and a membrane….as if…..