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Thanks for your mention. Contrary to what you say, 'Strong Buy' is an opinion and is based on that Man SP is a long way short of being a realistic representation of its current performance and further based on the premise from the London Stock Exchange, (LSEx ) Quote 'The Exchange's primary aim is to provide issuers, intermediaries and investors with attractive, efficient and well-regulated markets in which to raise capital and fulfil investment and trading requirements.' http://www.londonstockexchange.com/traders-and-brokers/rules-regulations/rules-regulations.htm Noting the LSEx's emphasis on ''well regulated''' my own requirement is not to be cheated due to LSEx's lack of such regulation.. Over recent years other financial institutions have learned that they had a duty of care to their clients. IMO the LSEx needs to act quickly to prevent its operations deteriorating further into, and to recover from, the situation you appear to describe as acceptable.

in the circumstances that are allowed, that I do consider Man shares to be a strong buy, and I give my reasons. However, the qualifier is obvious my option is made on the premise that it is made, as was my investments, within the London Stock Market rules being operated properly, which they clearly are not.

That has to be a joke. With AHL at $ 1.3249 this price should be well over 140p Now. Let's face, after marketmakers, together reduced Man's share price 4% drop for one days AHL fall of 0.9%, and then hold its price down despite the news that AHL had risen 1,5% on the next day. That to me is due to what I believe is just blatant fiddling, and cheating, and as such actions are blatantly against the rules and as such, the law of England & Wales, (LSEx rules). it is not just Man Group that I won't invest any more cash into this share but the London Stock Exchange, not just Man Group that I am not invest any more cash into, but the London Stock Exchange. The only way the LSEx will resemble a market is when they stamp out their regulators for enough to do their job properly. (I still have a few left but their b/e price is far off). However I believe a bet at the bookies would be much more regulated than the shambles at LSEx.

So I for one is finding it difficult to understand that anyone can argue that:- when the hauling down the price of a security from 125p to 113p , (not just a few pence), on the preempting of some bad figures coming out for that security and the fact that the price is held low even when that preempting turns out to be wrong is not wholly against the rule 1400 of ..........quote...........Member firms are also obliged under rule 1400 not to do any act or engage in any course of conduct which is likely to damage the fairness or integrity of the Exchange’s markets, or which might create a false or misleading impression as to the markets or price of a security'. end quote..............therefore, its plain to me that anything that is in such contrast to those rules is manipulating of such securities share price. Just because the regulators are not up to standard, (or gd forbid part of such an event), certainly does not make it right.

has not been taken into account . For instance Berenburg (late on the scene) have not increased the 90p that they issued on June 2 when AHL was $1.163. Since then AHL has moved right up into the hwm earnings to $1.3164. So why does the likes of Berenburg not include the vast AHL improvement, (notforgetting the acquisitions)? Is a possible answer that they are under the cosh to short Man. If so, by whom, Goldman Sachs would be my guess. What prompts my guess is, could Berenburg be in debt to GS as is another blatant shorter is, i.e. Espirito ? Or maybe just part of a shorting conspiracy. Whichever way their reasoning is highly suspect. To my mind this is a clear example of what LSEx Regulators should be looking into and eliminate if not proper. If they want t a 'clean house' that is.

Someone on the board should have, and as they didn't, should quickly refer to the http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-10-01/hedge-funds-hit-with-right-hook-on-fannie-freddie-ruling case and inform as to how much, if any, involvement they have. However, because of their investments all over the world that case should not have been used as a blatant opportunity to recover their losses made elsewhare. (by their I mean those who have irresponsibly hauled down the price over the past two weeks from 125p to 113p). I don't believe profit taking was the reason for yesterday's fall as the buyers outnumbered the sellers by 3 to 2. The problem is the lack of control over those who have the capacity to purchase a vast number of shares after conspiring to drastically reduce the price of a security, (* usually unjustified as they will not take risks on dubious securities). They are then in a position to sell when normal investors are buying, along with dubious media articles and co-operation from market makers. This kind of operation requires the sort of conspiracy, that is completely illegal. Hence their success depends on the laxity of the regulators. Just normal regulation controls would reverse this trend of the LSEx becoming the 'Londenofiniquity'x'., IMO

touted to be market maker for Man Group, yet they are always shorting EMG. Espirit are in serious debt to Goldman Sachs as well as being broke, to think that these will not be taking if not making opportunity to make up their losses, irrespective of who they try to cheat (US authorities, EU Authorities all come the same to them).. Being aided aided and abetted by other mm's and other shorters Numis IMO anyone who thinks this is a fair market is living in cloud cuckoo land. Facts:-During the past 9 weeks mm's have hauled Man's price down from 125p to 113p despite AHL being up to the highest its been for many a year and has been 9 week in $1.30's well into hwm., GLG recovering, up 4 weeks out of past 5, And today the biggest drop in Man's SP, over 4%, despite there being 3 buys for every 2 sells. What kind of market does that represent. Why buy in ta dip, its all one big dip after another, completely contrary to Man's performances. To get to the point there is Incredible incompetence being demonstrated by the LSEx's regulators, unless, of course, they are also in the shorting conspiracy.

up 1% on week already. Seems we are still being cheated then.

Thanks for your points. not a lot I would disagree with except as I have said I will not invest further in any part of LSEx until I see some action against the cheats. As you say that may be a pipe dream, especially as I have already wriiten twice to LSEx but as yet received no answer. However, there is more and more news of fiddlers being brought to task, even many big banks including the once renowned LloydsTSB are being investigated for their part in the Libor fiddlingy. (Although I suspect it be be thro their unfortunate takeover of HBOS). It is also difficult to avoid reading about Goldman Sachs (and cohorts), being involved in schemes being considered as cheating. I mention GS as you (tongue in cheek I suspect) mentioned a cheaky t/o. Gd forbid that they are suspected also of maybe being considered in a cheap t/o of Man. (You might just about get your 120p while I would lose out, although I only have a few left. (Unless they do the right thing a pay a premium). We'll see.

Thanks for your mention. I'm glad that you appear to also suspect Man's share price is being held and manipulated, we are not alone. Only seems LSE's regulators do not seem to have a clue as to what to do even though they have the law on their side. Allowing the LSE to become considered as a den of cheats from its respected position is not what I consider to be a positive outlook. I do consider it a strong buy but that is based on supposing that the LSEx is not in danger of becoming a den of cheats, must admit to being in error the way it is going. To support that theory about man's share price, I''ve been in this since the AHL funds were last in the $1.30's as they are now and recall Man's share price being way above what it is now. Since then we have sold off one part but acquired GLG, FRM, and mow Numeric and Pine Grove and just as important increased the value by the 4% buy back program. Regarding the cheating, they are at it again today so where are the regulators is a relevant question never mind why ar'nt they doing what they are paid to do. Not difficult to detect when it is happening as only have to compare daily charts freely available on many financial sites to notice the arrogant times of their actions.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/huge-japan-stock-trade-scrapped-094911138.html. . . . . . .. this couldn't happen in LSEx, without regulators noticing,could it?

London Stock Exchange (LSEx) is not a den of inequity, it is a place of Integrity, (why else would it say so in its rules). Why then are the LSEx's regulators allowing its securities, (QPP, Blnx, EMG, ECT), as well as LSEx, (by association) to be derogated?

With respect to what has been posted here is just a short but relevant extract from The London Stock Exchange Rules & Regulations, concerning;-. http://www.londonstockexchange.com/traders-and-brokers/rules-regulations/rules-lse.pdf . . . l. .''Short selling'' . . . . . Member firms are also obliged under rule 1400 not to do any act or engage in any course of conduct which is likely to damage the fairness or integrity of the Exchange’s markets, or which might create a false or misleading impression as to the markets or price of a security'. end quote................... It seems obvious that what is going on regarding Man's share price is to derogate Man's value in complete contradiction to Man's performance and the LSEx rules, especially on Shorting. As it can be deduced that there has indeed been a lack of regulatory processes being carried out, why are the LSEx regulators failing in their duties? In LSEx own words they are liable under the laws of England & Wales. Where are the regultors indeed?

GLG funds up 1.5%. Numeric and Pine Grove coming on tap. Other financials up again today, as yesterday. More buys than sells. So to emphathise my point , have the mm's got together, (with whom?), to suppress to bring down Man's price yet again, and do the mm's, (or whoever), have some inside or other information that we do not have?

Well done, you spotted my obscure reference. Yes indeed, is it 'sweetners', (maybe something more direct), that enables the mm's to haul down a company's share price regardless of its performances being positive. IMO it certainly has to be more than a few trades to bring down, (as well as suppressing), a share price movement.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/glg-announces-discontinuance-of-final-pending-shareholder-lawsuit-2014-09-30 I was not aware of this information until now, however, This news alone should have increased Man's price yesterday, (notwithstanding the improvements in performances), instead of the hauling down of man's price.

$1.3045 for week to September 29th.. GLG funds rose by 1.5% overall for week ending 26th Sept Money markets moved very little since Monday. As have commodities. In view of the performances Man's price should be in the 130p-140p range. So why the drop again in Mans price. Unless the mm's (& cohorts), are acting on undisclosed information then we are being cheated by them under the 'noses of the LSEx regulation overseers'. Either way if the LSEx is relying on the UK tax payer supported FCA to do their job for them then the LSEx should be taken to task for that and be made to pay compensation to those losing out because of the LSEx lack of action regarding their own regulations.

my previous post). Weisje @ discussthemarket gave that advice recently, in good faith, however, how does anyone but the manipulators and their cohorts know when a dip is actually a dip. Which means that those of us who abide by that 'rule' should not consider buying above that 'dip' price, (only those who could be in the know would do so). Hence is the LSEx, by their laxity and lack of proper regulation not 'shooting itself in the foot' (pardon the pun). Or is it their intention to 'terrorise' us out of the market. They have certainly succeeded in preventing me from investing any further cash into their market.

as usual, with improvement in a companies performance it would be expected that its share price would rise or at the very least remain stable, (only logic). However, yet again mm's arrogance shows no boundaries as they milk the logical market and then fleece it by hauling down the share price. Even though they may be manipulating Man's SP from rising, for as yet some unknown entity, MM's seem to be daring us to buy the shares, IMO they are practicing something akin to ''financial terrorism''., Why are the LSEx' regulators so absent in all this.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=1&ved=0CCIQqQIoADAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fbusiness%2F2014%2Fsep%2F29%2Fmorrisons-treasurer-charged-insider-dealing-fca&ei=k2sqVJ6SM5LiaIO8gvgP&usg=AFQjCNH6mhykOEVsEN8oV6OvJAk7SzeRxw&sig2=VQKLSEvFWX32vCjc9g2JpQ Pity LSEx regulators didn't spot it first. However, they have only to look at the movement of Man's SP to suspect that some know something going on that we mere mortals don't know about, about time that LSEx investigated before the FCA ahave to do it for them.