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we see a couple of shorters jump in and say Man has made no improvement since early August. Then, AHL was $1.22 and GLG has shown upward movement in at least 4 of the past 6 weeks. If this wasn't improvement the Q3 Interim statement shows improvement in all areas during the last 3 months, only negative was the slight loss due to the exchange rate. If this is the level of brokerage offered by those two shorters, Espirito and Numis, then it proves my point further. Man's share price would be a healthy 150p+ if not for the arrogant abuse of the LSEx rules.

Yes AHL does provide more profit, if only because of its lower overheads. However, if we only suspeced, we now know that performance of any security means very little in the London Stock Exchange, (LSEx). MarketMakers are allowed to flout the LSEx rules and set what price they like irrespective of any performances. Especially to milk any unsuspecting investor of their money. A thought that keeps coming to mind is that the big banks were just as arrogant about misleading their customers, (clients), until . . . . . . .

doesn't amount to 10% profit Just seen that the rats are still not happy with their deeds, even the bankrupt one.

more like rats (Still trying to figure out how 118.3p.1 to 116.3p, less the fee and taxes amounts to a 10% gain). I must try and find a more generous broker!!!

387 trades 845,285 sells v 602,743 buys and price goes up 6p in 15 minutes. Nothing unexpected in today's report. So why was the price hauled down yesterday,( not forgetting previous days drops). Has LSEx allowed itself to become totally corrupt ?

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/man-group-funds-under-management-061621782.html London Stock Market (LSEx( controlled by thieves and robbers?

It just goes to show that its not been just a joke, but a 'bldy sick joke'. The mm's have been pulling this share down for months not just a day or so. For example, without reason, the mm's have hauled down from 126p to today's starting 113p, milking the system as they go, There certainly has not been evidence at all of a sell off, as buys have outnumbered sells on many occasions. Its more of the case that they conspire to create any opportunity to plunder peoples investments at times that are contrary to the news. If there is news to back up such a mauling of Man's price then it is insider information being leaked and should be investigated thoruoghly. When, with little doubt, other misdemeanors will out.

You are correct, dduck, as at 4.30pm buys v sells were level. Nothing in the performances or news to even suggest anything but a rise in SP, especially as AHL as had improved yet again. Same thing has happened as pre the last results and insider dealing rumours appear to be rife, However, that last set of results produced were so positive that the price was driven up again by them. It would be a sad reflection but it seems that the LSEx's control has evaporated and are cowering away from Financial Terrorism. No more of my money is going anywhere near the LSEx. I hear that sentiment from several investors or would be investors more and more as I travel around the UK. (IMO EMG would be a strong buy but only in a proper market, not the LSEx at the moment).

Man have changed the performance presentation, but looks to me as though AHL has just about cracked your $1.33 @ $1.3296. I make it a .0052 rise for Tuesday added to Monday's 1.3244.

So why the drop again, was the selling, hardly as the buys over the two days were certainly not less than the sells. Was it some poor performance, we now know is wasn't as AHL has consistently risen on the days in question. We know GLG is improving, Quite easy to see that it is almost invariable that Man's share price has moved in the opposite direction to the news of the daily news on its AHL fund. So is it the greedy mm's trying to make up for their failures and bankruptcies by shorting prosperous companies. Defacing the values of those companies into the bargain, would be, according to their literature, against the the LSEx's rules. In fact the shorters in these cases would be doing as much or more harm to the UK as terrorists. While the irresponsible regulators are clearly not doing their job as laid out in their rules.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/luxembourg-court-declares-espirito-santo-123920833.html. Why do they allow bankrupt banks to have mms?

Any such talk of there being a t/o bid is not very likely yet as the current and potential acquisitions complicate matters. As for being happy with the share price, there were plenty of people investing on the favourable news yesterday so much so that the buys outnumbered the sells. I'm confident that they did not invest at the higher prices knowing that the share price was going to fall by as much as 9% even after many of the investments and within that trading day. How daft would that be? The news for Man's funds and FUM are still good today yet the mm;s still sit on Man's price. Why, well I agree with you about a t/o but do not think it is just a rumour, (not likly yet for reasons already said). However, that does not stop a t/o bid from being maniplulated. Strange co-incidence!!!!! is that the party I suspect i.e. Gold Sachs loaned one of Man's market makers Espirto Santo a lasrge loan, (finance.yahoo.com/news/man-group-confirms-talks-buy-073012518.html), just before ES went bust.(http://online.wsj.com/articles/goldman-made-big-loan-to-banco-espirito-santo-shortly-before-collapse-1409574474). (http://online.wsj.com/articles/goldman-made-big-loan-to-banco-espirito-santo-shortly-before-collapse-1409574474). finance.yahoo.com/news/man-group-confirms-talks-buy-073012518.html especially the quote ''Phil Dobbin, analyst at Espirito Santo Investment Bank, which acts as market maker for Man'' Espirito going bust - acting as m,m for man - shorting man to the hilt with the aid of not just freinds and associates. Running down a company that people are investing in because it is prospering, is exactly against the rules of the LSEx. It similarly has affected my wealth on a number of occasions, LSEx has not carried out my requests to stop it, therefore I believe LSEx owes me considerable compensation, and a lot of other investors to boot I would believe. Futhermore, the question of did Goldman Sachs lend Espirito what was required to short Man to suit its own ends of pulling down and holding down Man's price to facilitate a cheaper t/o bid, needs to be investigated. looks to me that Man's acquisition activities has provided the time for it. In case someone remarks. The Strong Buy option I choose is based on that the LSEx will act and that Man's performance that has improved dramatically and will remain high or improve further.

Furthermore, a more likely scenario would be the compensation being for each trading day the illicit actions are allowed to keep the securities price below what would be its correct value should be. NB Strong Buy option is chosen in expectation that LSEx will rectify the loss situation.

to $1.3203 yet Man price hauled down once again. Having kept records of these similar periods I can say this certainly has been allowed to fester for a while now. Until this is taken in hand i don't believe that this, (or other shares affected by the illegal actions), will be allowed to get up to its correct price. I do say that the London Stock Exchange (LSEx) have a duty of care to abide by the wording of their advertising and rules. The LSEx rules state that we individual investors cannot be a full member of the LSEx. However, if we invest via a broker that is a member then, of course, we are a member by association and bound by their rules. After reading, the rules of the LSEx it appears the current actions of the mm's are case for LSEx paying compensation where an investor's share investment is denied appropriate returns due to the likes of what the LSEx is allowing to happen over and over again This is not the only example by any means but for man's share price to be, first of all ,prevented from rising to its appropriate level in the known circumstances, (135p +), and then be hauled down to 113p in less that an trading day then the LSEx should pay compenation to the individual invester of the difference. Not having ever been warned that the illicit fiddling would be allowed to prevail, I have looked through the rules again and cannot find any reference to the said actions being legitimate. For example if any investor is denied achieving their aims because of the current illicit actions then the LSEx should pay compensation regarding the difference between what could be expected and what the price is being fiddled down to. Whether or not the shares were sold, as not selling mitigates the investors position by not 'crystalising' the loss but it doing so denies the opportunity of further onward investment.

mm's push up a security's share price, daring us to purchase on the back of good performances, then willfully chop down the price of that security and snaffle the money any of us (they take as mugs) have been daft enough to invest. Even before the so called market has opened. . . . . . . . . . . Please note, my option of Man being a strong buy is chosen because of Man Funds performances, however, I would not suggest investing and that is due to the 'illicit', (in my view), antics within the Lon Denofiniquity. i.e. the London Stock Exchange.

times. Only have took at the graphs to see that its so blatant. Must be easy to trace, So much for London Stock Exchange's waffle about wanting a well regulated market, (well relegated to the cheating zone more like it). Therefore, I feel I am right about the manipulation of Man's SP by mm's illicitly shorting this again to accommodate a t/o. Especially as Man's funds performances are strong so someone like ______ _____ are trying to get their hands on them. but acquisitions are frustrating them. AMO.

Now 0.2 up on week not 0.2 down. Small movements but significant and more stabilised.

AHL down 1.3 while GLG up 1.7 Wasn’t this the reason for the acquisitions, i.e. to stabilize. However, AHL was also up 0.3 on week at $1.3087. Good point made by wiejse on discussthemarket, is that AHL is a smalller contributer to Man Group now. So the improvement over the last few weeks from GLG is important, (roughly 1.9% last week). For anyone interested and mathematically indulgent, June 30th figures for calculation are on https://www.man.com/GB/presentations/ From page 33 I see earnings from performance (pf) fees :- 79% of AHL's FUM is eligible for pf of 18% to 20% and accounted for 21% of Man's total FUM up to June 30th, 45% GLG " "" 15% to 20% " "" 59% " " " " 20% FRM " "" 5% to 10% ! "" 29% " " " " So in my view, the contributing proportions are, (very roughly), AHL 15% GLG 30% FRM 5% of Man's pf. This means to me that Man's share price should be 48% of its price when AHL was last in the $1.30's. Man's price then ranged between £3 & £5. So my estimation is that Man's SP should be around 137p at least, based on the £3, & up to £2.40 based on the £5 , Since June 30th, AHL has improved hand over fidt and GLG has begun improvement., its plain to see that this would be a snip t/o at 140p to 150p. Hence the unfair activities, but I believe that the recent acquisitions will be frustrating any such t/o. So it will be interesting to see, as dduck, has said what Numeric & Pine Grocve can contribute. Not forgetting that Man are presently arranging fund raising in the form of bonds for another acquisition. Just my quick calculations & as ever DYOR & GL

hit the d instead of the c

I did say 'you appear to describe as acceptable'. .Thanks for the explanation.