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As with any major decision which will challenge the status quo and will thus upset some of the main players the key is to be able to manage the situation so that everyone (well almost) goes away with a win.
You will never convince the more die-hard greens who are happy for everyone else to live in a cave while they merrily continue to chunter away to their mates on their mobiles (which in their production process have gobbled up rare earth metals).
The key players here-the National State/Local State/BEM/Sami somehow just need to get around the table and work out the wider benefits of this development and how best to minimise both short term and longer term legacy costs once mining has eventually ceased (whatever that time scale might be-but certainly long after I have departed this realm!)
Sure-many will say this is a naive position to take but I understand the entrenched views on both sides here. "Radical Green Rationality" as far as I am concerned is a tautology and unfortunately BEM will be lambasted in a veritable eco sh--it show that will surely arrive after a positive decision. Kurt and his advisors will need to be ready for the negative media coverage.

Yes and many are only p/t herders.

Why on earth would you wish to raise this red herring?
Teachers form a substantial proportion of the population in western economies and they make damn sure that their occupational pensions are protected and watertight.
I see no reason to suspect anything untoward going on here -unless you are prepared to be more specific.

If this is all that the Sami can come up with as a delaying tactic (thought their specialism were reindeers not JORCs) then they should be rather ashamed of themselves.
I mentioned in a much earlier post that they ought to engage (with the enemy) and negotiate hard on a levy to be paid to them by BEM based on extraction tonnage-which means the more that is dug out then the larger is the financial pot to protect the Sami's culture and longer term interests.

Szy and Eric
Hardly Dolly Pentreath though!!
Just showing off my Cornish roots (a bit grey now though!)

Surely ODX will have all sorts of relevant insurances in place (maybe?) to cover such things as contract disputes/uncertainties-which might mean that they would be covered for the full amount should ODX lawyers not be able to put up a valid defence vs our esteemed Health bods.

I asked Ella what happened to her message around mid day on Tuesday abut the licences. They seem to have been removed -by whom I wonder and why??
I am not in the habit of responding to imaginary messages -is he/she now getting desperate??

I would imagine that the direct action carried out some 7 yeas ago to block BEM's activities on the ground were more likely instigated by eco warriors from outside the immediate locality who are ready to engage in direct action at the drop of a hat-as we see much closer to home.
I think the Sami might be reassured by a number of conditions imposed on BEM including for example the provision of clear routes for their herds to be managed throughout the seasons and some measures around the forewarning and timing of any blasting activities etc (although for the life of me can't think of anything at the moment!)
Assuming a guarded "yes" -there will be a shed load of envt hurdles to get through before the first digger/blast on site is permitted. There is no way that Sweden will go back on its green reputation. Kurt just has to continue to make the case.

Ella
Thanks -but nothing clearer to convince me about the veracity of your statement,
Which licence area/s are you alleging are being targetted?
Btw-what happened to your earlier post this morning about the applications-seems to have disappeared?

I thought the wording of the RNS of the 4th November said that any sales would be ---"customary orderly sales provisions".
Bit of a stretch to turn that into "dumping".

Any thoughts on what the Sami response will be?
I can't imagine that they will be enthused about the mine prospects shooting up a gear ;they regard this area as their birthright and one of their earlier comments related to the severing of routes they use to manage their herds from one season to the next. I imagine a lot of horse trading will need to take place over the coming years; there will still be loads of official permits/permissions/consultations to get through. Eco/green warriors will be smarting and will possibly be primed for direct action as they did some 7-8 years ago if my memory serves me correctly-only this time they won't have the "legitimacy" of any greens in coalition.
More patience required I'm afraid.
Try and keep calm over day to day movements.

I think we are all probably a bit cautious about the response here. However when traditional cultures are "threatened" (and no doubt well- known voices from within Sweden will make a lot of noise) one element of the planning system that can be used to mitigate negative environmental and cultural impacts is to ut a condition on approval so that BEM pays a direct financial contribution from the company based on output over the life of the mine. The finances raised are audited and presented to the leaders of the cultural group/s impacted to spend as they wish on protecting and/or promoting their traditional way of life. The cynics would call this horse-trading or tokenism but it is just one way of linking the " fortune" of the invader with that of the host community!
Just a thought.

F29
Just suggesting you have another look at my message timed at 15.48 particularly the 3rd paragraph.
Thought I made it clear that I was a LT holder.
I don't do personal swipes or respond to them -thought my post was fairly anodyne and wasn't aimed at anyone in particular.
The well established trolls (your words) on this BB are probably now wetting themselves with glee at a potential internal squabbles between genuine LT holders who want the co to prosper.
Now time for my pills!

Thanks TW
You obviously picked up on my (rather humble, non-helmeted) cricketing past (front teeth spread over lots of grounds through not knowing when to call it a day) plus the "hidden" element purporting to be my ability to be able to "cover" my position as far as the financial world was concerned-again ability sadly lacking!
Too ancient to be sharing personal stuff on BBs or anywhere else for that matter-but I still try to get around to the occasional county game, watching the grandsons of players who I aspired to yonks ago!
BW from an old codger who still thinks he has a few brain cells left!

As someone who taught in the uni sector for years (and retired long before woke-ism) I always feel more confident with people who are prepared to quote their sources (ideally in the public domain) and from either from a bullish or bearish perspective (I prefer these terms to those which have gained some form of popular credence over the years)
Whilst I enjoy a good joke as much as anyone else, the "quality" of some of the material on this BB has allowed it to be dragged down into an almost terminal form of incestuous pond life with ****ging off of individuals in both camps with lots of "innuendo" jokes/one liners and "I know a bit more than you do " etc.
I'm hoping I'm speaking for LT holders who continue to have faith in ARCM despite its communication aberrations.
Can we please get back to being adults again -even though I remain of the rather ancient variety!

F29
Any follow up on the legal papers supposedly delivered last Friday?
Ignore fat fingers on earlier post!

F29
Any follow

If you stand back and try and take a neutral's view of the situation -it's actually quite an easy decision in theory. The proposed mine is outside the boundaries of a protected area, albeit within an area where "traditional" reindeer herding takes place. I use the word traditional in inverted commas as some herding takes place using state of the art technology such as drones and mini helicopters etc. The ore is very high grade etc etc so has "green" credentials.
The mine will have a shelf life and as a former long retired town planner (now disgusted with the myopic and seemingly anti humanitarian views of the idiotic fringe green movement) it is clear that based on the philosophy of using nature's gifts wisely that tough environmental conditions will need to be attached to any activities at Kallak and and that BEM should also be required (based on my UK experience) to deposit a hefty bond to pay for future land restoration costs once they have pushed off. Longer term nature will re-establish itself to get back to its climax vegetation state.
I would hope that the current newish leadership is also thinking of the human elements here in terms of their own Swedish version of levelling- up given the well publicised socio-economic decline of their northern/peripheral regions.
Happy to get blasted but just my genuine thoughts from someone who has had a long career attempting to make difficult decisions balancing development activities within the context of a (much more balanced) environmental ethos.

Tenuous to say the least with 75 short of a majority. Looking forward to a lot of wheeling and dealing that will hopefully stop this country from becoming an established basket case!

Thanks - so we are agreed that we have to assume that K are selling rather than it being a fact??