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Good timing. Sell up?( 2 big sells) Shake out? Allow preferential buyers. ??
Who knows?

weighted

But tbh who bl**dy knows in this corrupt market?!
Yes it does border on a casino. But the mm’s choose the weighted chips. It’s all on their clammy terms.
Laughable to call this a market really.
More sense in bitcoin these days.
You can never know if a shakeout is a shakeoutbor a sell-off. All seighted dice. Doh.

Big drop suddenly. To facilitate favoured buying IMO

My post was in reply to Lukin

Well said. It’s exactly my point from yesterday. Myomu . Make your own mind up. DYOR. And why trust what an anonymous poster says. I have read people ( one long term well-known one here) who blows hot hot hot then says it’s going to slide like a toboggan. My analogy about going to play marbles or fishing was all about ..we decide what to do. Not a random guy /girl with an agenda.
I am positive too.
I believe the market is as well.

Favourable entry or top-up price though.

Chunky sell.
More like a snake-slide than a bull run.
Shame.

The trading pattern over last few days has been of a positive bias. It is the sort of variable done to acquire shares frommp/i’s as cheaply as possible and suddenly dip in order to accommodate buying. Their own or a favoured client.
I still get caught out as they are in control, but it looks very positive to me. And anyone who knows my posts will know I don’t say such things.
Yes I can -like everyone else-always be wrong.
I was luckybin SNG. The mm’s didn’t see it coming either. I think they are more clued in to dates and data here.
All speculation but not without some evidence and joining the dots.

I was expecting them to raise as well. They are being very measured.
They are playing a lot of “ mind-games” with impatient holders. As they do. A bit of buying going on too I notice. Some reasonable amounts.

scouting for shares. Playing with proce to encourage selling It has worked to a degree. Especially around the 82p mark.

Gt
I believe you are right in your approach. It was me that is missing in my application of the rules. I hadn’t read it all. Yes you did well to post that protected trade explanation. I really didn’t know that and it is an education to me. I thank you for that.
You have got nothing wrong about the trade information you posted. Don’t put yourself down! You got it 100% right.
It explains much to me about previous share action I have been involved in and it is excellent to now understand.
No I did not disregard it intentionally. I was being lazy by not reading t fully and just having my own agenda. Apologies.
There is a case for this here. Maybe. Or in many high volume or even low volume shares. It explains some very large after hours trades which are too big for one day or even a week. I applaud your caution in applying it here. We just don’t know.
But I, for one, am continuously learning the devious City ways. OMG it is another world.
We are the last to know ( unless RNS and even some of them are leaked…insider trading is rife).
Well apologies. I was not distegarding the info. Just being lazy. You got the info 100% right. And it has educated me. We cannot know what is going on here but your 15.7% acquisition is unusually astounding( even if few shares in circulation).
Unlike many others , you are too humble.
Credit where credit due.
Yes it IS possible.
Sharedealing is based on hypothesis which is in turn based on evidence or experience.
But without it one can never nurture important and relevant ideas.
I hesitate to suggest if there is definite accumulation . And by whom. Single or multiple . If indeed so. To see a large accumulator as possible until the end of the trade at any side…well…it changes the game a bit . And the mm’s know what games are effective for their customers!!!
I hate being bottom of the food chain!!!

You do have to declare. As I said, I got hoisted up and had to publish 5 TR1’s after a refinancing . Took the FCA nearly 6 months to contact me. The City players know they can get away with murder anyway. But immediately you are over 3% you have 3 days ( I believe) to announce it. It is abused.
I expect no TR1’s
I expect no RNS
I expect no news.
I certainly am not going to ramp the share by asserting I will buy more. That’s my business . If someone else is buying then it shouldn’t influence others. But it seems to.
Foolish. People can say they are the Queen’s chiropractor on a chatsite if they want. Total trollop is written.
DYOR with 4D. Look at Director buys and the products being tested along with their background to date. All positive but MYOD.
Pay no attention to anonymous posters.
Universal good sign here is one recognized by markets since they existed. Director buys. Significant. And at £1.10p. Like I did.
All the hypotheses about buying annd accumulation and mm’s ( from me too) is all hypothesis on previous experience experience of trade action.
I believe it modestly but ultimately we are all in the dark .
But so was I last July 2020 in SNG. I did not regret it.
Must DYOR

Glad I’m not the only one seeing the accumulation behaviour.
Each individual registered holder over 3% must TR 1 but the rules are open to abuse. Different registered holders can be part of same fund company. TR1’s usually arrive late. Some ridiculously late. They are rarely chased. Almost never penslised. I once had to issue 5 TR1’s myself after being chased by the regulatory authority in 2017 for Trinity Oil. who refinanced so I ended up with huge number of shares. Took them 6 months to ring me!!!!
I would suspect that the City plays the system.
The US seller we had certainly didn’t hold to TR1 timelines!!!!

Gt
I’d agree with you. I just pulled 1:40 out of a hat.
Mine are set at 1:80
You have enticed me to raise it.
To be fair , Hargreaves Lansdown don’t lend them out anyway. But the City has its shabby ways, so I think it’s worth doing. But I agree…set it sky high.

EdC
When mm’s want shares they want them as cheaply as poss. They bought at 76-78 yesterday. A few people sold but not many. The price was 78-80.5 to sell today. Fair amount of buying and bit of selling…mm’s have to raise the bid to entice loose holders to sell. It’s how they operate. Sometimes!!! It’s a murky world in the City.
Yes I’ve been doing this a very long time and had to re-learn their new games since algos etc.
No…no-one has to agree with me!
I have no doubts but nobody has to agree with me as an anonymous poster!!
I have no agenda.
Just trying to answer your question.
I perceive accumulation. But of course….I can be wrong .

Today’s action convinces me mm’s want shares. Typical price behaviour on top of yesterdays 76p low.
The more we hold on tight , the harder they have to work.
Set £1.40 min. as your lowest target.

Waiting for updates…whatever their nature may be.
IMO mm’s are accumulating. I may be wrong.
They want to buy as cheaply as possible( if they are!). If they drop the price they can worry people but our US seller may have departed. 76p is the new 90p. They may slump the price to 72p to allow buddy-buying ….but if they want more shares from holders they will have to raise the price.
Directors and Placees break even at £1:10p.
Prob won’t see that in a hurry but in this Vegas market, who knows.
I will be holding for well above Placing price so I guess all this short-term shi* is irrelevant.
Nit it helps me learn how the mm’s operate. That’s very important.
I am not all frillies and fanfare about 4D like at least one other recent holder. I know the market too well and have scars. But positive is good.
Just a subjective post suggesting we hold and wait indefinitely and don’t give away unless we intend to exit anyway.
ATB to all respectful (i.e. non-sarky + supportive) investors.
I cautiously wait this one out.

I made a lot of money last July on SNG. (Ncyt has stripped me of it but that’s my bad.)
Sng had the science. Already 90% proven. Interferon b was already being used to bolster cancer immunity . It was already copd -effective too but they had to put that one on hold. Proved itself as an early stage covid treatment There are similarities wit 4D regarding phasing and target groups. It went up 5 fold in one day last July. I sold too early but that’s fine.
4D have a lot of info waiting when its time comes.

Look at Ncyt anyone who wants to see what can happen to the rosiest sparkliest “rampiest” share where the loss of govt. contract led to a fall from £12 to £2.30.
I am on a massive loss. My bad. I decided.
Directors …£1m each. Excellent.
But it’s not a dead cert. NO share is.
I’ve got my foot firmly planted in Mother Earth and not Never Never or La La Land.
Stay optimistic but real.