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It’s called reporting.

Fleecy - yet they’ve been delivering gigabit broadband for years and BT haven’t. That’s the point being made & that’s the point you conveniently miss during your typically dodgy analysis.

Fkeccy here you go again, desperately running through your bingo card is technical acronyms trying to convince readers of your expertise.

The bottom line is the cable industry has been offering 1gig download broadband speeds for quite some time……. So it’s nowhere near as hypocritical as you would have people believe for your argument.

If BB speeds are the game, BT have been lagging behind far too long. I think most people on this board would agree. I personally thought higher speeds over twisted pair would have been enough & BT could have sweated older networks for longer to spread the cost. In that case there is a point to competition forcing BT to abandon this strategy (G.Fast) etc

Pjoan

“BT had new competitors back in the 80s in the UK like Mercury, Kingston, NTL, Racal and Telewest to name a few.

Where are these companies now in the UK.”

Answer = Vodafone - KCOM - Virgin Media - Vodafone - Virgin Media

Expat - aren’t EE part of MBNL ? They share base stations with other operators (I think)

Get rich Q - not not at all, buying in without taking BT services is one thing.

Having a stake in the business with their services and then concluding their offering is no good, thus undermining their stake, is something completely different.

Lunch box I agree. What is the point owning shares in BT but not taking their service….

Very wise advice as always Mandy.

Just the tip of a very, very dirty ice burg, covered in betrayal and treason.

Maybe you would be able to think of reasons why a uk insurance salesman would be meeting with Russian embassy / agents ?

It gets far, far worse, this is the bit he admits, because he thinks it’s so clandestine it doesn’t matter.

It’s like a gun, with finger prints wiped off? Why would anyone innocent wipe their prints?

https://www.ft.com/content/6a49782c-6c88-11e8-852d-d8b934ff5ffa

Goodness gracious me stumpy, go google leave campaign Russian links, go search unaccounted leave campaign money, you will find plenty of serious journalism indicating meetings with known operatives, same with Conservative Party, Boris Johnson and various ex kgb members. It’s not difficult. Then search the Russian report filter out all the right wing press and propaganda sites & it’s clear.

Plainly the blame for Brexit lays squarely at the people who were impressed by grifters, paid with Russian money.

In the late 1930’ there was a MAGA movement whose sentries and congressmen read out speeches written by Hitler. History repeats

The leave propaganda read like something out of the Russian revolution, “elites” “enemies of the state “ “establishment” etc etc. you can hear the same themes from Putin today as he tries to shape a Russian narrative

Stumpy, is that a serious question?

Putin has a stated aim to undermine EU and NATO

I’m not saying Putin invested Brexit but what he does is look for pressure points which he can fund and blow out of proportion.

Nigel farage and Leave campaign in general was funded through Russian mischief, along with Brexit leaning conservatives.

Russian money and propaganda know how has super charged these pressure points in western society, Brexit in UK to hurt the EU, TRUMP in the US to seed division and undermine NATO, AFD in Germany, le penn in France, immigration crisis in Syria, immigrants bused through Belarus…

All these organisations have proven links with Russian money and operatives, farage himself has met with Lavrov etc etc etc ( RUSSIAN REPORT)

Its all about dividing western democracies

you have it all wrong on the politics front mandy, i’m with blue pete

the country is already in this state because brexit blowhards are nothing but ridiculous, vacuous, corrupt scoundrels.

don’t tell me remain voters don’t try and tell you!!

last thing country needs is more of the same, bitter and twisted leave voters has got what they voted for and can now see the evils they have power too

what we need now are serious people in charge, grown ups back in control, not media clowns looking for their next click or ****** based wet dream.

we especially don’t need russian puppets like farage, he can only shout from the sidelines and divide.

When I read that article I’m reminded of the early nineties with various cable companies forming and building best they could with the money and resources they had.

I think Oftel at the time limited BT to keep them out of modern networks for 10 years? To give cable companies time to grow.

Altnets feel very similar except this time BT are free to compete. If the original cable restrictions were the right thing to do, these altnets will have difficulty competing until they consolidate. Funny enough, I have a feeling it will be the cable industry that consolidates them.

No NDN is a stalker. I’m being serious, he thinks he is entitled to use my personal data to intimidate me, because he doesn’t like my tone.

Fleecy - I think it’s the last I have to say on the subject - the original discussion was about anonymity on the web.

You have gone round and round in circles, with a word salad of various things to argue round and round my original point & you are still saying your identity is protected by all these things & it’s not

My original point is that once layer 5 (application to application) web browser, bank app, tv streaming what ever it is, your personal data, your device identity can and will be shared. Cookies, activity, MAC address, original ip address, address of proxy, address, email addresses phone numbers etc.

Even where this data is anonymised, data can be collected to create a digital foot print, this foot print can then link to sites where you so use your correct identity, for example I bet a bank app links to your real bank account which has your real address.

It’s all about communication at layer 5, encryption ip address spoofing is all pointless.

Technology vulnerabilities are only legitimate mechanisms to communicate between devices and share data, they become vulnerabilities only when they are miss used by third parities but the same data is exchanged legitimately all the time, with every application you use. You say “MAC address stays in layer 2, I say layer 5 applications can share almost any data other like and has more to do with the T&c’s you sign up to. It’s not about the MAC address it’s the principle that applications share information of all types freely regardless. This is the bit you fail to understand until last week when you started arguing with me using what I’ve already explained to you 20 times

It the fibre laying and getting it to the door, I understand they drag / blow it through existing ducts, but how do they get a fibre from the street to my door, I’m guessing there is a tiny duct to my door, but how is this accessed, my guess is it would be easier to work from the door back to the main duct in the street & this bit is counted in the 900k homes past?

From all the info in last weeks updates, the most impressive is the 900k + premises past by openreach ready for full fibre.

Many/lil Rod and me have long thought BT might not achieve their stated goal of 25 million premises past by end of 2026, but at that rate (if it can be maintained) will prove us wrong.

Would love to know how that is done, what the definition of “homes past” actually is?

Looking at competitors figures In see liberty Media has a network build operation separate to Virgin media now, which passed 251,000 premises last quarter. But they start from a much larger Gbt foot print circa 17 million premises.

I get less excited by the old broadband losses which is also difficult to understand why the business plays this down and revenue increase fuelled by price rises.

Oh don’t do that Mandy, that kind of behaviour will only poison your existence.

It’s a bit creepy reviewing the contents of previous messages & pulling them out to threaten or intimidate other posters.

This kind of self entitlement is something I would expect from NDNIC not you. Can lead to all kinds of very unpleasant behaviour, it’s a gateway crime which usually leads to far more unpleasant obsessions (I think you know what I mean)

Did I tell you NDN stalked me & tried to intimidate me with my personal info? Can you imagine anything lower than that?

so don’t be like him.

& Pete Fkeccy doesn’t understand a the technology. His latest answer and citing VPN’s and encryption etc etc are utterly meaningless when I’m talking about applications (legitimately or not ) sharing personal /technical data between two applications.

With all his little protections and privacy tools his bank still recognises his device, if. His wife streamed TV the service would still list every device and its usage etc etc etc

& of course web browsers harvest personal data, the digital foot print created through browsers is unbelievable and sadly legitimate.

Go search for a new fridge & watch the direct marketing appear on your Facebook (or other) apps!!!!!

& yet the share price reflects the sentiment for. Sure thing, no way of loosing huge certainty of a massive payout in 2025 …..

Blue Pete - I understand the logic too

However this logic only works if BT’s competitors and partners are happy to maintain the status quo.

EE is prime example, it is no longer largest network, has lost nearly all its resale partners, even though it is the best network by most measures.

In my opinion it’s very unlikely competitors and partners will be doing the same thing 10 years from now. Openreach business looks very different if “partners” like sky start doing something different.

Fleccy won’t even consider. Such a risk, writes it off, misses how vulnerable the Bat investment is. So it’s not analysis it’s make believe.

Openreach is some ways is a remarkable business investing huge amounts of cash on behalf of BT’s competitors, which it will later rely on them “playing ball” for their business case to come to fruition.