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In Scotland a commonly used descriptive for such people is ‘Tube.’
Matt Han**** to my mind fits the criteria.

Or maybe like pumping up a tyre with a puncture. The air you pump in has to be replenished the tyre doesn’t stay inflated.

Sadly there is no expectation to my knowledge that any vaccine provides long term immunity so the vaccine cycle is at the moment potentially without any foreseeable finish line.

My strong suspicions regarding true efficacy seems to be being realised. Instead the government and media have been happy to disregard all caution and give credence to cleverly presented cherry picked inflated poppy****.
Over egging such an important weapon against this virus diverts resources and no doubt rewards the conspiring parties vast ill gained riches.
That’s one thing but two of my closest family members are relying on these vaccines to protect them whilst they put themselves in harms way to save people.
My wife is booked in for a vaccination tomorrow having today been told that the second vaccination date she had been promised to protect her is now indefinitely cancelled.
This is shameful. Medics putting themselves in grave danger for the benefit of others deserve the best available protection. No ifs buts or maybes.

SNG should fly out the door. Give him a job

‘New normal’ phone gremlins

Ducati not a great literary reference but in terms of the unpalatable reality- Jack Nicholson in ‘A Few Good Men’ springs to mind - ‘You can’t handle the Truth ‘.

The narrative is being rammed home that vaccines will save the day in short time every expert and politician trots this out.
They may well do eventually but the modelling relies on a fair wind and things going to plan. Nothing at all makes that a believable outcome personally I think everybody needs to get theirs heads around a much longer new
If we are going to get to grips with this we need to evaluate and deal with the reality. Time for the fairy stories to stop imho.

Don’t get me wrong I want to believe in the one vaccine faster roll out change in strategy. Setting aside it’s not what the manufacturers advocated for successful treatment , let’s assume the manufacturers were initially misinforming us and due to the government providing alternative data the manufacturers now admit they got it wrong. No not what happened but let’s be pragmatic and still make the assumption it makes great sense.
Well Pfizer say there is No data to support efficacy after 21 days and a second jab.
So for me loads of untested assumptions on which people are now reliant on digging us out of this pandemic. But with repeated infections of the virus offering no immunity and virus mutations one step ahead of the vaccines What happens/ when if we discover they are not so effective.
Well the experts have an answer for that too. Professor Sir John Bell this morning ‘the vaccines could be tweaked in say 6 weeks.’
But then you have to start all over again making enough supply and getting everybody lined up for another jab. Meanwhile who’s to say the virus hasn’t significantly changed again in the same time frame as it already has.
I am confident that dealing with this revolving door virus is like nailing jelly to a wall whilst nothing is stationary.
The ensuing chaos should be great for SNG demand and shareholder value. But again and again we are told virtually the whole population needs to have vaccine immunity for the whole thing to work.
Given what we know how the hell will that happen ? Not in anything like the time frames being bandied around surely this is here for years isn’t that the reality ?

Oh dear

Alas, heavy heart, stay at home, working day and night, I want this less than anyone, we will do everything. Tier 25.
‘Gusto’ unlikely so treble word score

The smirking idiot on BMB now having had Sir John Bell sounding pretty concerned. Still managing to smile and sound triumphant Han**** is special.

Sadly we are all dying at any time and statistically at the moment there almost certainly more people dying eating or having eaten a chicken sandwich.
No cause and affect = no concern from me.

I think we all here hope it is. An increasing amount of signposts pointing towards destination SNG. Great find.

From Pfizer I quoted it in an earlier post. But in a nutshell they don’t stand by or claim any efficacy from one jab past 21 days. There is no data to support this and that’s from the people who have made and tested it.

‘We will be guided by the Science.’
Unless we meet an obstacle and then mass public health decisions will be made with Gusto after a couple of bottles of red. Sod the experts.

It has been said before a ‘Perfect Storm’
If SNG passes regulatory approval its almost impossible to predict where this could go.
The vaccine complete fix argument has been exposed as a myth.
If SNG is approved and it remains an if we may all have a big or very big windfall but in what kind of world will we be left with in which to spend it.
For me whilst remaining by nature optimistic what are all facing is definitely starting to sink in.

In the eyes of the Americans and the rest of the world what a result that SNG is not a ‘Boris Baby.’
That could have massively tainted confidence and brand image. Wow another master stroke RM.

When world leading experts are openly saying you are going against science and winging it that to me is deeply worrying.

Fauci, Topol etc plus our own medics now openly critical and refusing to comply.
Better find the handbrake yet again Boris another U turn coming. Poorly thought out Bad decision making continues. Better find another fridge to hide in & Time to put a competent grown up in charge ?

Maybe due to political and class tribalism some people are unable to be objective.

The problem is when you maintain an undying belief that one political party best represents you, your background or belief systems you lose objectivity. If you criticise Boris then you are somehow being disloyal to the Conservative affiliation that best represents you.
I think in terms of an objective assessment BJ et al have had an unenviable mountain to climb. Brexit and a worsening pandemic is pretty much unparalleled in peace time.
Having said that the cronyism and decision making in relation to the pandemic has been an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions.
Only now after syphoning off hundreds of millions to friends and friends of friends has the penny dropped to bring in military expertise to sort out stuff like the logistics. It’s so bleeding obvious.
Mega promises that provide diversion and are then forgotten after layer of layer of yet more b*ll**** and ‘Moonshots!!!!!!’
It has and will continue to be a ‘sh*tshow with a leader who wants to hide in a fridge rather than face scrutiny- that to me says it all.

Thanks I have seen first hand how badly this is being received. These guys only deserve the best protection and to demand they put their own and by proxy the life’s of family at unnecessary risk is utter madness.

I understand that the decision by the government to ‘freestyle’ it and ignore the recommended 2 dose vaccine regime is not being well received by Drs and other healthcare staff.

Given that Pfizer have said ‘ there is No data to demonstrate that protection after the first dose is sustained after 21 days.’ The government decision is ignore the scientific advice of the people making it and to give only one dose to NHS staff is expecting them to face a far more virulent deadly threat whilst ignoring the manufacturers instructions because it’s considered by the government to be expedient.
Very worrying and if Drs and healthcare staff are incensed this latest vaccine issue is in IMHO about to get noisy.