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Strewth !

How far behind the curve are you with your information?

Embarrassing.

The period between IPO and when I first became aware of it in July 09 is not something I know about. At that period, it most definitely was as I described.

If you feel like filling in that historical period, fair play.

However, I insist, the proposition then (July 09) was just like the proposition now.

I wonder how many people who buy in IPO make money? All of the one's I've seen for many years lose massively.

Taking in to consideration the tax treatment of major holders, there may be some case to be made.

Our own judgements are what make, or cost, us money, Buying when the sp at the time was many multiples of what it had been a brief time before, cheered on by strangers quoting further many multiples. is hardly advisable. Selling at a large loss in a fit of temper is, again, not good strategy. The business case remains exactly as it was 15 years ago, massive promotion by a major retailer in a huge market will (dare I say) transform the outcome here. We do have such a company preparing to do just that. As was the case 15 years ago, we don't know when.

Hard to type when my ribs hurt so much.

Plain fact, By Health have invested hugely, their PR has trailed high enthusiasm, they've put their science to the authorities for approval. Lots of smaller o0utfits in many countries have launched products, but not one of them is resourced like ByHealth, who have a proven track record of creating massive retail presence in a population which dwarves many continents.

So, yes, China is the prospect, unless another major global brand takes up Fruitflow. DSM displayed at numerous international trade fairs, hosted many seminars, produced video content extolling the virtues of Fruitflow, but, apparently, couldn't crack a major brand. Here in UK, my prognosis is that inflation will return due to stupid energy policy, folks will feel poor, brands will not feel expansive. Perhaps overly pessimistic, I hope so, but nothing that the company could control. Tough times IMHO

You enjoy messing with heads don't you.

The reason we are here remains unchanged, we are in the hands of a foreign regulator, not a comfortable situation but we are all aware, or should be, how the Chinese economy rolls. Other product launches add incremental gains, but nothing of huge significance.

The general market is nasty, responding to the reality of a country getting poorer, and the new era of politics. Less said about that, less chance of the thought police searching me out.

When will By Health launch? We don't know, we never knew, there was no way for us to know, very likely they don't.

If they do launch, happy days, fast. We all invested accordingly, but some of us don't pretend that IF can influence outcomes of a state controlled decision

Gosh, you're so clever aintcha.

Must be worth an absolute fortune.

We're so impressed

Bern

The frustration is baked in to everyone I'm certain, but that wasn't the point. Expecting them to do what they can't do seems a lot less than logical to me, so I said so. On the other hand, executing a miraculous trade that is many times the market size, and not getting way below Bid, is remarkable. or unbelievable.

An increase in the marketing of what?

Provexis only market one product Fruitflow+O2 capsules.

In order to significantly advance the sales of that single product, something in the millions would be needed, then stock would have to be readily available to fulfil the increase in orders, again a sum in the millions.

The best prospect of success is, and never was, a niche product in a limited market. To be the farm on that would be lunacy IMHO. So it's probably for the best that you're not involved to pressure for it.

Surely everyone can see that ByHealth are the only highly resourced outfit able to promote a product in a major way. They have invested heavily in preparing regulatory research and submission. They, and most of us, are holding on the basis that this major backing will be successful. You think otherwise, in wishing for humungous dilution on order to lash money around on a minor part of the mix, and have divested in what seems to be a retort to my arguments. And you found a MM willing to pay the current Bid rather than a heavily discounted one. I still find that more than surprising, but it's done, so that's that.

Did you manage to come up with an answer to my question?

Proportionate to turnover, and the number of agencies, the debt is not high, and certainly doesn't warrant that sort of description. It's caused by Mission actually doing some acquisitions, as opposed to the cash pile charlies just talking about it.

So somebody can trade that many all in one go ??

Y'right.

It's not easy to read the ramblings of a socialist. At least Trotters should be happy with the new Marxist regime, they are going to build the new utopia using the highest cost and least reliable energy in the world.. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

All of the traditional manufacturing jobs have gone east, on the orders of the UN/WEF world masters. they want us poorer, and our governments are dutifully delivering.

Today's Headlam offering confirms the malaise. It's tough out there.

We all know, or should, that the publication of an offer would be a done deal. The big holders would be in support, the rest of us left with no choice. There'd be some muttering, and threats to force an EGM, which would come to nothing. I believe they do want the best for shareholders, so I accept that it's out of my hands.

I think gixer and kievsky make the point in a better way than I did.

Making a budget to add a couple of hundred thousand extra costs clearly doesn't tie in with the stated intention to avoid dilution as much as possible, and will have to wait until BH help the big bucks roll in. The greater risk is that they see this as the cheapest point to take the whole company out

The brands you mention WERE supported by massive marketing campaigns, global brands that have a budget for such things. £30 million should do it.

My suggestions were not tongue in cheek, they were pure sarcasm.

I have an aversion to those who whine "something must be done" whilst offering nothing as a valid action plan.

Welly, your retort is fair, but those are cosmetic actions IMHO

The brands who have launched to date, including some more widely promoted ones, should be building volumes. If all, or most, stay in the market, they help build stability.

Fruitflow should be further on, but the lack of funding leaves few options

OK, I respect gixer and accept his endorsement.

So XPub, who has never been any other ID. What you have the company do? You claim complacency, but I see the negotiation of settling stock issues with DSM as reasonable, all the way through to requiring a fresh production. I see more brands launching, and these folks will have done the deal with Provexis, not DSM. Do you require a top level international salesman to expand the brand? My guess would be that this would cost more than double the current outlay on staff, a person of that calibre, and their associated costs, would come in cheap would they> Would you have IF rush over to China and confront the state run regulatory authorities, demanding immediate approval of Fruitfflow in ByHealth products, then go on to BH headquarters and demand immediate launch and mass promotion of the lines they have ready?

Or would you say that this scenario would not go at all well?

So, what would you have them actually do?

Just some kinda cheapskate influencer IMHO.

At the height of the usual summer lull in the market, added to the turbulence caused by an incoming Marxist regime, the attractiveness of traditional savings returns being greater than at any time for some 15 years, making investing in smallcaps look risky in comparison, this "genuine sizeable holder" issues his regular diatribe, implying that he has the ear of major holders. he's trying to create selling, for what motive I'll leave it to others to surmise.

Welly, I think Big Sam and Tony Pulis have retired. Grow up man, the job of managing on scant resources whilst transitioning trade buyers away fro DSM can't have been simple, lots of bridges needed building. As ever, we await China approvals, absolutely zero that anyone can do about that, although seriously disappointing that it hasn't happened by now. Launch of a niche but widely marketed decent sized brand is as good as we can expect prior to BlueHat approvals IMHO.

A communication would be good, I have no idea what is permissible within AIM rules.

Now Dowgate Group take a sizeable holding. Is this Dowgate Capital?

That being cleared appears to have had a positive effect.

Good riddance to those chancers.

Don't have such a thing.

Remember that old Quo song ?

" Down down, deeper and down"