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In my opinion; priceless. If it goes well Acciona they would have no reason not to sign a very large deal with AFC, perhaps become a partner as mentioned earlier? Why look for another supplier when you've just had a successful test on site... When that generator is on site and Acciona post a remark about their satisfaction with the results, we can be looking at being potentially the first market leaders. A lot can ride on this trial in my opinion, extremely lucrative.

Previously I'm not one to move the subject away from AFC on here, though I now believe there is relevance in sharing information within our market place. For one, I believe it helps build a bit of confidence when we lack that here (it can happen often!), and two, most of us believe in a better future, so we can look at the bigger picture and remember that the world is moving the way we would like to see it. Quantafuel are another company (Norwegian) with massive gains today, perhaps the Norwegian equivalent of PHE? I'm not invested in these companies (unfortunately), though it is nice to share good news within our sector.

We've been here longer than many of these companies now seeing huge gains. Let's trust that the experience gained over these years will pay off, perhaps we are the tortoise and there are many hares'?!

I wonder if Lewis also describes himself as a "motorist" on his CV.

I saw a Swedish paper have driven 2 cars from Stockholm to Nice, one diesel and one electric, and compared the price. I've uploaded a snap of the article here: https://ibb.co/BZMNLB7

It's a little disappointing as they've not picked the best cars for the job, well perhaps the diesel as it is quite an economical model, though the Jaguar ev is hardly game changing in the ev world. The ev ends up costing 3 times more in fuel, no tolls or such are added to the equation though. I wasn't really sure what to take from this article, though perhaps we have a long way to go to encourage people to make the move to EV. Many people can't afford a new cheaper family sized EV, let alone a Tesla.

I agree Chippy, real deals are needed to catch the attention of the market. I have no idea what is going on behind the scenes at AFC, not that any of us do, though if I were planning to buy a hydrogen fuelled EV charger, or generator, I would personally wait untill I'd seen the results from some real world tests. The EV charger is going to be put through, possibly the most extreme imaginable demonstration tour, and the generator will be tested by one of the biggest/the biggest green thinking construction company in the world. Personally, I could probably wait a few months before signing the dotted line, whilst I watch my potential new purchase being tested on my TV.

Great news Lewis will now be directly advertising the series through his own social media channels, a few extra million viewers there!
I've always thought that the AFC charging of the Extreme E vehicles will be a very big part of the show. I would like to think they will have a dedicated segment explaining the charging technology, after all, this series is about showing the world how we can rethink how we live today. It may not be as exciting as the old days of fueling in F1, though they I would imagine they will explain how it all works, how they transport it, what other uses it has etc etc. You never know, it may even spark Lewis's interest, and it is possible they he could put out a post about AFC during the racing...

Side note, Nikola have teamed up with GM, NKLA shares up almost 50% pre opening. Another good collaboration paving the way for the future.

Yes Japan doing incredible things with hydrogen. Europe racing ahead, this was one of my concerns that the U.K would be left behind when they could potentially be one of the front runners. This deal in Germany is significant, as others have mentioned, in that a U.K company has been selected, extremely promising.

Hopefully the U.K government make some real action soon, and maybe even include AFC in that.... Alternatively they could release a patriotic video with Rule Britannia as the background music, while the world moves on.

We could also touch on the following subject: https://www.emissionsanalytics.com/news/pollution-tyre-wear-worse-exhaust-emissions
EVs use less brakes due to the regenerative braking systems, though tyres should be addressed.

Excellent, nice to get in with the Germans, and I feel it was about time AFC were recognised in one of these future projects.

Sorry I didn't reply to my last thread. I believe extinction rebellion are not too popular over there, and I originally thought they were a bunch of nutters. Now, after some time I think at least they are really fighting for what they believe in. They are correct in their thinking that drastic measures should be taken, money is still the boss and it seems to me that in the UK it's all about what you say in politics, not much happens.

Yes these are frustrating times, and many of us have lost faith having heard several stories from AB, every interview he has given in the past has left me glowing with confidence for a period afterwards, and always buying more shares at the wrong time. It is do or die for them this time, of that I am sure, at least now the technology is in demand, no better time for them to finally sell something.

Enjoy your bank holiday weekend, I'm expecting some kind of communication next week.

Oh and that Tuva award nomination. Maybe it's just me but there is an award for everything these days. Just an excuse for the company to go out and get wasted, maybe they'll get drunk enough to comment on some social media posts to reinforce the likes.

Apologies for the erratic text in the previous post, it looks like I've had more than one beer though I'm experimenting with a new keyboard on phone!

Was thinking over a beer about the future of hydrogen, and the possibility of it being traded as a commodity. What do people think of the possibility of this? As far as I can imagine it will one day be traded in the same was as oil or gas are today, furutre contracts etc.

I believe ammonia already is already traded in this way to some extent. It will be interesting to see how this could affect companies in the future. When will it be taxed bty the government in the same way petrol/diesel are. I presume these are all topics that may need to be addressed by the government soon.

Nice positive outlook. I'd like to add my own observations on the bigger picture too.

We've seen confidence returning to many of the big markets after the recent madness, look at Tesla, has just now broken ath again! We seem to have seen a period of retrace/consolidation in many of the larger hydrogen themed companies after their crazy runs, AFC also had a good period of hype.

I believe now with summer holidays over, confidence apparently returning to the markets, gold and other precious metals may end their huge pumps now, and we may see some more money come in to the hydrogen world again. There has been plenty of good news articles here during the last few weeks, many more big names taking steps forward.

I think we just need a glimmer of news or an update to bring in some interest to the company. Hopefully they are working hard on something behind the scenes, if not that an update in some form.

I respect there ingenuity and forward thinking, though it is not as simple as bolting on a few new components and knocking off a few km from the brochure range of the aircraft. However, who is to say that future designed aircraft will not use ammonia as a fuel, if they choose to go the route of sticking with the gas turbine design, it's certainly not something I've ever considered.

Hi minty, the UK certainly has an interesting setup, with older, smaller streets and the houses are much more tightly packed together. The same can be said for other European cities which are older. The long term future is hard to predict, I don't see ev's being the number one form of transport, shorter term, many people there will not have the luxury of charging at home.

Going on my experience here, I have an EV home charger in the garage for fast charging, maybe £2k to install. All new apartment blocks have fast EV charging as standard now, and the older blocks are being retrofitted. Those who have parking at work often have a charging port, i.e a normal socket they can slow charge on throughout the day.

With advancements in fast/super fast charging, I think charging at a station may become more common place for many. Even today with the Tesla super chargers you don't have to wait long for an 80% charge. Range anxiety is a little over played in my opinion, especially in the U.K. Driving to work shouldn't usually involve crazy long distances, and stopping for 10 minutes isn't a huge inconvenience. There are already companies setting up some ev fueling stations in the UK: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1145600/Solar-power-electric-car-charging-stations-UK-batteries-10-minutes/amp

People will expect EV charging possibilities in remote locations also, which I believe can be a market for AFC, as it's not a permanent structure it is very easy to transport, shipping containers fit on to most lorries too, should one not be popular move it to another location. It may not be a pretty object to have at say a car park in a popular place to walk in the country side, though it could be painted or disguised in some way.

Another market I'd see as potential would be places where sporadic but heavy use could be envisaged, say for example a sporting arena car park. Many cars turning up for a game at the weekend, some perhaps driving long distances, charge during the game. Easy to use the quiet days to refill whatever may be required.

A little unrelated, though I though it may be of interest to some of you who have mentioned solar power in the past.

We have 3 new electric aircraft operating up here in the Arctic, 70 degrees North so a good way up in the Arctic circle. 100 metres squared of solar panels were installed to provide charging, they were functional from December, which is the darkest month. Between December and March, they produced 4,000 kWh. Between March and April in a one month period, they also produced 4,000 kWh, by the end of April it is pretty much light all night.

As someone mentioned on here, the photovoltaic cells function more efficiently at lower temperatures. The physicist in charge of the project was shocked with the winter figures, the simulations were way off. As of now the power is supplied directly from the solar cells to the aircraft, 4,000 kWh is providing around 240 flight hours.

Sorry a little off topic, thought may be of interest to some.

I came across this article on the BBC about decomiaoa nuclear power plant, the first of several in the UK: https://bbc.in/3jYjmnh

Whether you are for or against nuclear power, I find it fascinating that it takes so much man power to disassemble these power plants. They are talking about securing job for many years to come, surely they should be looking to the future now, securing jobs by cleaning up the past as opposed to creating new jobs to secure the future. In my opinion, this is not something to be proud of, of course it is essential work though.

I'm looking forward to the BBC article reporting hundreds of new jobs in relation to the new hydrogen economy.

Hi Klunk, I did indeed know this. which is one of the reasons I'd be so keen to see a partnership, or should I say hopeful! I have mentioned Rolls Royce earlier on here without trying to sound too hopeful, though I do believe it would be an excellent team, even though Rolls may no longer be as British as they once were, they could certainly help with some new jobs in the UK together.

And hi Mad, thanks for your input, very interesting. I can certainly see your points and had imagined this may be the case for many companies, though I do believe these choices may soon be out of their hands. Larger companies still have a lot of power when it comes to influencing governments or future regulations, though I truly believe the tides are turning and soon they will have no choice in such matters. As you say, as of now these are just used as backup generation so perhaps not so directly polluting. However, costs are coming down, and some companies are making the move. There comes a turning point where you don't want to be left behind and look like you don't care. I often compare the rest of the world to Norway on these green initiatives, as I live here and we are a few steps ahead on many fronts. I'm looking in to possibilities of alternative portable power supplies at airports, even with electric aircraft which may soon be a reality here. Costs are prohibitive now commercially, though there comes a point where we can way up cost, government agenda, public perception and every day more and more companies are coming further with their progress driving prices down. I'm generally an optimist on this subject though perhaps a little more of a realist than some about what tomorrow means when it comes to this technology. Things are moving fast now, I hope they continue :)

Data centres are another lucrative market, and things are starting to happen fast. I'd love to see AFC team up with a big name, as if 2022 as DW mentioned earlier is the earliest possible date, I'd like to think some of the unmentioned nda's/mou's could relate to this market, otherwise they may get left behind.

Rolls Royce have started to tap in to this market: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/rolls-royce-and-daimler-truck-ag-co-develop-data-center-fuel-cells/
What a great collaboration that would be, AFC and Rolls Royce? To give an idea of the size of some contracts, here is a previous contract Rolls won recently with their old diesel generators: https://www.powergenadvancement.com/news/rolls-royce-to-supply-23-mtu-onsite-energy-diesel-gensets-to-data-centre-in-amsterdam/
"The gensets are to safeguard standby power requirements for 15 to 20 years." I'm pretty sure this market will continue to grow.

Nice article, thanks. I look forward to when this series starts, I think part of the benefit of this deal is the charging of the vehicles will be a key focus point of the series, thus giving AFC excellent exposure. Of course should something fail this would of course have the opposite effect, not that I imagine this will happen!

They mention again the carbon neutral term, whatever different people make of that, they seem to be very keen to show their environmental credentials. This among other reasons is why I can't see AFC looking in to the offshore oil and gas market, as some here have mentioned. Sure, there may be some huge and lucrative contracts to be had, though I feel AFC are looking to be viewed as a more environmentally friendly company, and the offshore market does not work so well for that, plus I believe the days of offshore drilling are numbered and the work will at least reduce. It's easy for a company such as Siemens who already provide power for many offshore rigs to convert to hydrogen or something else, and then advertise themselves and say "hey, look we've gone green" and come out looking better for it.

Anyway, I see this as a good collaboration, a new "green" race and a "new" green company, both paving the way for the future.