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Castle

So in two years you're working on a projected Mcap of approximately half a billion pounds.

Is that through what you think could be a speculative bubble in the share price driven by sentiment alone, or are you basing it on solid and fundamental support driven by projected earnings provided by the company?

The above is a legitimate question.

One you should be able to answer irrespective of whether someone is invested or not.

Castle

You accuse the likes of myself and Red of lowering the share price.

We're doing a good job of it aren't we?

Dusty

Don't let them get to you.

There are times when it's so infantile it leaves me lost for words. Castle and Philsum et al could make CBEEBIES look like Mastermind. I mean, look at last week when the shares went up slightly. Castle got that excited he was nearly wetting himself. Questions were asked as to where the likes of myself were seeing as the shares had gone up, so I came on explaining that I was mountain biking for the weekend, and Philsum replied about lollipop sticks in spokes and was so totally devoid of anything articulate and relative to say about Powerhouse he finished his post with a playground insult.

I thought at the time, God! Is this really the level of intelligence that is promoting this company!

Dusty

Given your post a tick as it sums things up perfectly.

I've tried getting Castle to explain how he gets to a prediction of 12p a share. But to no avail.

You can't come on a bulletin board and keep repeatedly saying a future share price without explaining the thinking behind it. It's not about being negative or deramping to ask why 12p.

Is it because that was a previous high?

Is it his lucky number?

Has he had a go on the tombola?

Is it his IQ?

If it's based on figures provided by the company which, let's be honest it should be, he's working on a PE ratio of about a hundred to get to an Mcap of about half a billion pounds.

Either that or he's disputing the figures provided at the recent AGM.

There's also talk on here about a large seller.

I can't see anything whatsoever to back that up.

There's only so many times you can reply to posts that question the large trades, the buys verses the sells, the grey trades etc, explaining that it is just normal market activity.

There is a mindset here with some that is intractable. They have convinced themselves they are going to make a fortune quickly, have invested on that basis, and now things aren't panning out as they thought have further retreated into their blinkered, entrenched analysis.

Not all holders I must stress. Some, like Scoobydriver, are at least approachable and have an open mind to what's going on here.

Photos of the kiln in that unit coupled with the amount of employees really hammered home to me how much of a start up company this really is.

The promised technology is fantastic. But I'm afraid, as Dusty says, I think this really is at the very least a 3 to 5 year horizon line before the technology is really proven and can deliver a viable company in terms of any substantial, sustained growth.

I hope it happens. I believe it can.

But everything about this company is screaming at me that it is where other previous investments were a decade ago and who, like Powerhouse is now, were promising all those years ago a one to two year timeline to production and profitability but are only now coming on stream.

Long term holders here whose intention is to remain invested until the technology is proven and is rolled out on a large scale have a very long wait indeed.

Patxaran

Sounds like when I go into Screwfix and everyone has a name badge with deputy manager on it.

Red

I agree about this not being mainly a hydrogen business.

I mentioned it in connection with the chancellor's announcement on green hydrogen as it is on Powerhouse's possibilities going forward. But yes, I was thinking more along the lines of possible grants for their other activities.

Personally, as I said about a month ago, I've moved into ITM Power for my hydrogen investment.

Scooby

I know what you about her voice. I read what she's doing rather than heard her say it.

I think this being in the pipeline yesterday, along with the change of government, has been the reason for the slight tick up here. I'm surprised a change in government hasn't even been mentioned as a possible cause for the share price increase on a bulletin board, unless I missed some relative and informed posts amongst the infantile dross the past three or four days.

Scooby

Re your earlier post where you sounded fed up due to the lack of topics to debate.

Any thoughts on the new chancellors £7.2bn National Wealth Fund in which she is setting aside half a billion for green hydrogen projects?

Philsum

Only this week you've questioned two things that I actually provided you the answers to.

And you have the temerity to say I'm the one with the questions and no attempt to find the answers.

I gave the answers to both your questions!

You asked if you could get a patent for something that didn't work. I informed you that you could with an example.

The day before that you questioned the grey trades etc, to which I also gave you an informed answer. An answer which I obtained from London South East from an earlier enquiry I made.

And you label me as someone with no attempt to find answers.

How about next time you have a question or something you're not sure about you try to find out for yourself, and in doing so enlighten others rather than take the lazy option by simply asking others.

Philsum

As I've said previously, I've traded this share several times and each time made a profit.

I've never called anyone dishonest. So don't know where you get that accusation from. Maybe you could enlighten?

You say you stopped listening to myself and Red, and yet here you are replying to my post.

You say so many questions and no attempt to find answers. Are you kidding? Really? No attempt to find answers?

Nothing could be further from the truth!

That's exactly what I and Red have been attempting to do for weeks! To find the answers to questions you as an investor here should be seeking answers to yourself for heaven's sake. Questions about United Hydrogen and National Hydrogen's set up. We've sought answers to these and other questions.

As for why I'm here I've explained previously.

You say I sound like I'm on a 12 year olds birthday, and then in the same paragraph sound very much like you're that age yourself. As for your finishing line: grow up. You're on a bulletin board talking about financial investments with adults. Try putting some words together in an articulate manner to back up your investment.

Humble pie you say, Philsum!

Blimey, that's a bit over the top isn't it?

You're making it sound as if they've rocketed up today several pence.

As for the comment as to where those who question and dissuade this share are today, then I can only speak for myself. I'm having a long weekend in the peak district doing some mountain biking. Been up in the hills all day and now having few pints in the pub where I'm catching up on the day's happenings. I haven't even seen any telly about the election until just now. I hope Starmer hasn't gone into number 10 questioning where the hell 15Lives is. It's called having a life. Something which, sadly, for some on here, Powerhouse Energy has become.

The other day you questioned the grey trades when the share fell. So why not question that big one today when it's gone up?

As for Castle passing comment too! Jeez! His life certainly has become Powerhouse. He too questioned where the likes of myself have been today, yet when he made that almighty balls up earlier this week mistaking the Chinese United Hydrogen for the Australian United Hydrogen and I pointed it out to him, he then went quiet for a good while until he thought his embarrassment and ignorance had blown over.

Those of us who question the goings on behind the scenes of this share ask valid questions. Questions the likes of those invested should be asking. And questions that haven't gone away because the share price has gone up today.

It's good that it has. I want this company to succeed.

But please get things into perspective.

One example of a patent accepted by the UK patent office is that of watering the deserts of Africa by making snowballs in Antarctica and rolling them down a long tube powered by the centrifugal pull of the earth's rotation.

Kinda puts things into perspective eh.

Philsum

Yes you can get a patent for something that doesn't work.

There have been loads of them.

Castle

You're talking about the correct company today aren't you?

Scooby

I too used that phrase.

My interpretation of it is that it's something done in order to obscure.

I don't think lies are being told. But I do believe things are being obscured. If they weren't it would be known why last year's IPO failed to happen and we would have a date for the new float. Last April they gave eight months notice, so these things are communicated well in advance.

To clarify, I don't believe United Hydrogen successfully floating is critical to PHE or their share price. But it could have a detrimental effect in the short term if things there don't happen soon.

Philsum

Greyed out, delayed and unknown has been explained previously, and there is nothing about those trades to indicate they are anything of which to be suspicious.

If you contact London South East they will explain why such trades are shown.

It's normal market behaviour.

Maybe Paul Emmitt is calling China everyday by mistake instead of Australia!

Red

You and I have been saying this and questioning it for weeks now.

Red

Not to mention that United Hydrogen say they run all the businesses under their umbrella.

How?

As you say, smoke and mirrors.

If they have a date planned this year for their IPO then surely it should be listed on that market's upcoming IPOs.