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Quiz time! Who is on record as saying:

"The idea that we have to have a card in order to access [anything] seems to me as a matter of principle to be wrong.
"Once powers are yielded to the state...[it never] hands them back"?

None other than....(a 20 years younger) Michael Gove!

So, you've had your two jabs, and you're booked on a cruise departing 15 October 2021. You can "rest assured" that no one who has had only one jab, or no jab, will be allowed to board.

However, a further ("booster"?) jab is rolled out on 1 October 2021. You're given a jab appointment in late October.

As you won't have been fully vaccinated by the date of departure, you won't be allowed to board, unlike someone who did manage to get his "booster" jab in time.

Is that right?

I have to say that I normally fine MrMagic's posts very depressing as someone who works in the cruise industry. However very suprisingly, I agree with MrMagic on everything he has said about vaccines and the digital ID system.

One only needs to step outside the misinformation and fear bubble of the MSM to see what is really happening in the world.

Carrots - "we are going to have to be able to proove we have had 2 doses in due course"

Nonsense. There's no justification whatsoever for mandating vaccines, the notion is ludicrous.

The CDC have announced that there are 1000s of "Breakthrough Cases" of Covid. Those are cases of FULLY vaccinated people who have nevertheless caught Covid, been Covid-Positive and had symptoms. The CDC have some 6000 cases reported but as we know the vast majority of people do not report their illnesses and just rest and get through them on their own. Hence we can be sure that the true number of Breakthrough cases is magnitudes of those reported 6000.

More worryingly, the CDC has stated that only 29% of those Breakthrough cases are asymptomatic which means a colossal 71% of them involve symptoms which in turn means those vaccinated people will spread virus to others.
Even so, in the context of cruise lines, the symptoms don't matter. They will simply test whether you are Covid positive or not regardless of symptoms and if you are then it's off to isolation for you and all your travelling party.

Everyone responds differently to vaccines just as we do to the virus itself. Huge numbers of older frail people with weak immune systems will be unlikely to have elicited a good response to the vaccines and thus have poor protection and will be an increased risk to others. Then there's all the actual immune-compromised people.

This whole notion is farcical in the extreme and no-one should be supporting it. The people who have actually had Covid already and gained natural immunity are by a country mile the safer demographic to be around.

Thus any introduction of such dystopian regimes is little more than just a backdoor attempt to usher in Digital ID which, just as has happened in China, will end up moving to a social credit score system. A rather totalitarian Communist practice. We should in no way be supporting anything of the sort here and I question the morals of anyone who gives such companies their support.

We can not discriminate against the naturally immune. They are far safer than vaccinated people.

MrMagic you keep shouting from the rooftops about the ramper - at least I hope you aren't referring to everyone who says anything positive as one? You are quite the opposite - de-ramper extraordinaire. As I said, I will do my own research; judging from some of your comments, you need to go away and do a lot more research.

Like it or not MrMagic - the likelihood of cases on board are very slim due to the stringent requirements to get on board in the first place, combined with the restrictions on passengers, plus no ports (in the case of Carnival brands anyway). That isn't the same as saying there will be no cases - sadly illnesses happen everywhere, whether Covid or otherwise.

Perhaps you might care to read the Business update earlier this month - might give you some facts around future cruise credits/cash bookings?

Enough money to get by with No Revenue - the starter or test cruises are just that - I doubt they care about the revenue there - it's about instilling confidence back in the industry. There is plenty of demand too - they don't have that many ships to be filed right now and future demand is high. Finally, they only need to sail 25 ships at full capacity to break even - anything else is extra cash - yes, extra. That time will come. I will patiently wait for the day they hit £30 like many others - yes, it will happen, maybe not next week, or next month, or even next year but it will happen in the medium term.

Lastly, take a look at the chart again - unless you are in for the short term AND invested in the last month or two, you will probably be up. A bit of a pullback after a hefty rise is not unexpected. I'm not worried at all - in fact if there is further dip, I may even buy some more.

My only advice is do your OWN research. Yes, we can share resources and opinion here, however, anyone who takes it as financial advice is an idiot and deserves what they get. All IMHO