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Durhamfox Global warming has nothing to do with the world not having Ice.
It means more diseases, less food, no clean drinking water, Wars breaking out and the strongest killing the weakest to survive, and mass migration to safer climates. Sorry durhamfox, you are ridiculous.
You still haven't read it have you, as it shows why you are ridiculous.
You sound selfish and uneducated, remember we are only talking about 30 years, I can only guess you don't have children.
If you do have children educate yourself and start caring.
I don't skate I don't ski. I don't like snow. I don't like cold I am all for Global Warming bring it on
Scientists call this ice age the Pleistocene Ice Age. It has been going on since about 2.5 million years ago (and some think that it's actually part of an even longer ice age that started as many as 40 million years ago). We are probably living in an ice age right now! But Earth's climate doesn't stay cold during the entire ice age.
Durhamfox read the link on my 10.24 post, it explains it fully.
I know you haven't read it, as you would understand it has answered much more than you have asserted.
Seriously read it and then reply if you don't understand parts of it.
I have posted the simple stuff without the mathematics involved, but if you want to discuss the algos we employ, I am more than happy to.
Just read the link, I don't understand why you bury your head in the sand.
With my qualifications I have no need to talk. To amateurs You have still not given the reason Why the 4000 years ago the ice retreated. Man was not even on mother earth to cause climate change or look at the stars
OK Durhamfox I cannot believe you make such assertions.
Here read the science it fully answers your ridiculous claims.
It states we are currently 10,000 years from the top of the Ice age cycle and the Earth should be cooling, but we are not.
This is because of the man made element, as I have already said this is well understood.
Buy yourself a telescope, join a club, talk to amateurs and scientists, and please stop spreading misinformation.
PLEASE READ THIS YOU REALLY NEED TO.
http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/natural-cycle#:~:text=The%20fact%20that%20the%20earth%20goes%20in%20and,10-20%2C000%20years%20%28or%20so%29%20in%20a%20warm%20period.
I'm in the Lovelock corner.
I think you have the wrong end of the, stick there was an Ice age and the the ice retreated from the whole of Europe MAN did not make the Ice retreat
Durhamfox I did give the reasons read my 09.55 post.
The Solar cycles are about Ice ages, but they are now not happening because of man made climate change.
Remember it only requires a small temp change to change the climate.
We need Copper, hydrogen, Graphene Tech to make Solar and EV's more efficient with less copper, but we also require Carbon Syncing and dare I say it, a reduction in the Human population.
But the two biggest elements at this moment in time, are CO2 and cleaning up our oceans.
May I add we need all waste to be biodegradable within short time periods.
As yet no one has given a reason why thousands of years ago the Ice retreated from the whole of Europe.
Hydrogen look at the NOAA data, and then look at the Ice age cycles, we are overdue, and the climate change model mirrors the cycle.
Agreed hydrogen I have also read James Lovelock and Gaia theory, and he is correct in feedback loops in Nature.
However the science has moved on and with better and more complex models, we are at last getting a grasp on climate change and ecosystems. Both are important. So Lovelock got us started, but we can change for the better. The only question is do we have the time ?
I am always hopeful, but we only get there, if we can educate humanity to take this seriously.
I won't even bother replying to Schlemiels post as he is crazy and brings every argument down to left wing and right wing.
Is it possible to filter a topic as opposed to a poster?
Certainly Durhamfox, the ice age sequencing is well understood. We get many Solar cycles, these happen over short periods and longer periods, if you read the article I put up earlier you would understand that small temp changes have a large effect.
We are overdue on a Ice age.
Why do you think that is ?
As I have said, it's the man made element that is important, that's why Ice ages were predictable in the past, but not now.
On the point of when the Ice retreated, the gases that were released were miniscule. This is because they are made of dying Vegetation and any Organic material including us.
Also when an end of an Ice age occurs, we still have large areas covered in Ice, this is known as Permafrost.
What we are now seeing is no Ice age, when we should have had one already, and the ONLY way we can account for this is the man made element of greenhouse gases.
The largest carbon syncs are our Oceans and we don't need to warm these much to have runaway climate change. That means the Earth cooks, even if we then reduce the whole world to Carbon neutral. As you cannot stop the process.
We already know we cannot stop the 1.5 degrees of warming, but governments tell us we can.
However the science predicts that even if we put zero carbon in the atmosphere today, that we would still rise by 1 degree by 2050, with the existing levels.
We know this, it is not debatable.
Hence why we are talking about Carbon syncing to take gases out the Atmosphere .
We have some technology, but we are not there yet, and is incredibly expensive for little effect.
Why do you think that new built Cars in the UK will be all electric by 2030.
We started off with 2050, and have reduced it bit by bit.
Governments at the moment are trying to slow the process down, as they know that the solution is politically unacceptable.
We may be successful, we may not.
But if we continue with the Paris accord, then we will not be, as this falls short on a massive scale.
Prepare for all our lives to be further disrupted, Gas boilers on the way out.
Heavy industry will need to change. Aircraft that use fossil fuels with be outlawed.
Climate is merely another issue that's been politicised and weaponised to assert to control over what you do, what you say, where you go, what and how you think, how you feel and indeed how you perceive yourself in relation to the political State. If you cannot see this then you are destined to servitude in all areas of life.
Technology in all areas of life will enslave you. Track and trace. Digital currencies. Cashless transactions. EV transport. Zero carbon power generation. Social credit systems. Access to public services restricted as per your social credit system should you say or do the wrong thing. You will become a mere digital person without human identity subject to algo approval of 'yes or no'
CV19 fascism. Encouraging conformity and compliance.
In 2019 25m Chinese citizens were prevented from going abroad or travelling internally because their Social credit rating fell into the red. This is coming to the UK, without question
And yet the voter is blissfully unaware as they continue to vote Labour and Tory and SNP. All parties that now pray at the altar of the State.
Thatcher encourage us to look to ourselves and not to the State. The Post-Thatcher political class want the opposite and when you do the State has captured you, you're captured.
Cultural Marxism. Racial politics. Cancel Culture. PC language control. Voice removed. All the parties are behind this as it makes life easier for themselves and helps to smooth the path to authoritarian control
Further oppressive speech laws, politicisation of emotion to crush opposition and new internet laws to combat 'disinformation' are next for UK people.
The web of State monitoring and control is being constructed and Labour and Tory voters are to blame...
James Lovelock is the man to listen to. He was right in the first place and he's right now. He believes the process is irreversible and whilst he does not propose we should continue burning fossil fuels and that alternatives must be found, his main thrust is that mankind needs to spend trillions preparing for the inevitable. Flood defences, sustainable food production, nuclear power etc. In short - it's gonna happen, make sure you're ready.
Of course, the green lobby has turned its back on him because he refuses to bow to their myopic approach.
Bnc I feel this is the opinion of many others too.
There is no denying there is cyclical climate change as geological history shows,........
What is like to know as I'm sure would others is how much of this current climate change is natural/cyclical v man made.......and do we have the scientific data/reports to prove this????
One is always a little cynical that all this is not just another money spinner.......but there is no denying however that we're seeing accelerating warming if the planet and with the IceCaps melting at alarming rates maybe we should do all we can to clean our acts up anyways regardless of whether or not we're the cause.
Just my opinion
So tell me please What made the ICE RETREAT FROM Europe. Where did the gasses come from that were trapped when the ice retreated. Sometimes a drunk baffoon tells the truth and don't have stars in their eyes
Where was the man made element when the. Ice retreated from the whole of Europe. As an astronomer you must have heard of THE ICE AGE
Durhamfox, that is so untrue, as an astronomer, I know and understand Solar cycles. People are confusing climate change as a whole, with the man main element. The sun does not trap heat in the atmosphere. It's greenhouse gases that do that. Don't be taken in by people who tell you different. The climate deniers try to confuse people by looking at climate change, without accounting for the man made element. It's this that is the danger. Read the science, not the drunk buffoons.
In respect of climate change there is nothing we can do. Thousands of years ago the whole of Europe was covered by ice. No cars aeroplanes to cause the ice to recede. The governing matter is the sun.